TUNE+ Upgraded Wastegate Actuator (Surge Cure)

[wrongwheeldrive]

I have a Boomba BOV which I use to help me hone in my turbo driving skills. Some consistent things I have noticed with the stock turbo setup are:

1. At partial throttle, while cruising, my valve often stays open. If I feather the throttle just right I can keep it hissing for a few seconds. It drives me crazy
2. While cornering at partial throttle, the turbo will de-pressurize (PSSSSSSST!) then build boost then depressurize many times. This also drives me nuts.

Will this product fix either of these issues?

My plan is to get an intercooler around black Friday time then finish the car off with a tune from you, Tune+, and call it a day with the mods for a while. This mod, however, is really intriguing. The stock turbo has some idiosyncrasies that I hope I can fix through tune, different valving/spring, ect.

 

[FORZDA 2]

Ok, got it. I fully understand how the turbo/WG function. The answer I was looking for is that your WGA simply has a stronger base spring.

My next question is how much stronger, as in what is the anticipated boost pressure with zero WGDC?

 

[Oscar Sanchez]

Order placed

 

[Tune+]

I have a Boomba BOV which I use to help me hone in my turbo driving skills. Some consistent things I have noticed with the stock turbo setup are:

1. At partial throttle, while cruising, my valve often stays open. If I feather the throttle just right I can keep it hissing for a few seconds. It drives me crazy
2. While cornering at partial throttle, the turbo will de-pressurize (PSSSSSSST!) then build boost then depressurize many times. This also drives me nuts.

Will this product fix either of these issues?

My plan is to get an intercooler around black Friday time then finish the car off with a tune from you, Tune+, and call it a day with the mods for a while. This mod, however, is really intriguing. The stock turbo has some idiosyncrasies that I hope I can fix through tune, different valving/spring, ect.

Yes, it will fix your issues. That is what we call "surging". So far every car I put one on that had the surging issue it cured.

Ok, got it. I fully understand how the turbo/WG function. The answer I was looking for is that your WGA simply has a stronger base spring.

My next question is how much stronger, as in what is the anticipated boost pressure with zero WGDC?

14.26psi - This is when it will crack open 1mm.

Order placed

Thank you! Just saw it come through. Appreciate it.

 

[RKTFiST]

I placed my order and sent you an e-mail! Thank you for all of the communication; it is definitely inspiring confidence in your products.

 

[Tune+]

Appreciate the order! Shot you over the $25.00 discount refund, also dropped you an email.

 

[FORZDA 2]

...14.26psi - This is when it will crack open 1mm.

Ok, thanks for the info! WGA ordered.

 

[jayrod1980]

Adam, do you know about how long it will be before the instruction video will be up? Since I have so many parts coming in the next week or two, I would like to make sure I sync the installation while I have certain parts off. For example, if having the bumper off helps this installation, I would like to do it while the IC is off, etc. I know that you have to remove the factory heatshield, but I'm not sure where that is. I assume I need the car jacked to do that, I'm just concerned about ease of access. Since my hose clamp faced the wrong way, it was a bear and took 4 different pliers to find the right one just to get at the line to allow me to remove the symposer on my car. Thankfully I fixed the orientation. Thanks again.

 

[Oscar Sanchez]

This part goes on the turbo, the turbo is not accessible thru the front. You will need to lift the car and go under it to where the turbo is. The turbo is behind the engine if looking at it from the front. Its located basically where the exhaust manifold is.

 

[Tune+]

Adam, do you know about how long it will be before the instruction video will be up? Since I have so many parts coming in the next week or two, I would like to make sure I sync the installation while I have certain parts off. For example, if having the bumper off helps this installation, I would like to do it while the IC is off, etc. I know that you have to remove the factory heatshield, but I'm not sure where that is. I assume I need the car jacked to do that, I'm just concerned about ease of access. Since my hose clamp faced the wrong way, it was a bear and took 4 different pliers to find the right one just to get at the line to allow me to remove the symposer on my car. Thankfully I fixed the orientation. Thanks again.

It will be some time, it is about to be sub-zero temperatures here and I have my hands full with my Ecoboost Mustang drag build. You will have to access this from the top and the bottom of your car as it is on the backside of the engine.

If anybody has questions during install please feel free to add me on facebook and send me a message. www.facebook.com/500whp

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Just a heads up, but I'm pretty sure you can overlay the two boost curves in Datazap. Just rename that column on your spreadsheet to a unique name ("Newboost" or whatever). Then, make all the cells in that column something like 1. Next, copy the section of the boost values from your modified actuator from the moment you went WOT on. Finally paste those values into that new column of ones you made and line it up with the moment you went WOT with the standard actuator.

Give us the links to the two datazap logs and I can try it and see if it works.

 

[Tune+]

Just a heads up, but I'm pretty sure you can overlay the two boost curves in Datazap. Just rename that column on your spreadsheet to a unique name ("Newboost" or whatever). Then, make all the cells in that column something like 1. Next, copy the section of the boost values from your modified actuator from the moment you went WOT on. Finally paste those values into that new column of ones you made and line it up with the moment you went WOT with the standard actuator.

Give us the links to the two datazap logs and I can try it and see if it works.

It doesn't line up time, so they won't actually overlay correctly. The software I use automatically adjust and scales time so the overlay is compared accurately.

I'll work on it tomorrow, I will have some time on my hands waiting on parts for my build.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

It doesn't line up time, so they won't actually overlay correctly.

Since you're not just inserting the whole column, you paste the second set of data lined up by when you reached WOT, not by the time value, so they would mostly overlay assuming you hit the throttle at a similar rate. You use 1s in the rest of the column in case Datazap requires values in the whole column. But whatever works for you.

 

[Tune+]

I have tried to line up logs via APP via datazap and modifying it in excel but you have to do a lot of fudging and it never ends up how you would like. Especially because of the way they lined up axis on Datazap.

If you check out the link below, you can see the software I normally use for comparison. I did the writeups below when I was still working for MAPerformance. Works much better.

http://www.fiestastforum.com/forum/...ust-Turbo-Kit)?p=113931&viewfull=1#post113931

 

[Sourskittle]

Dang Adam... I was hoping the wastegate was gonna be in the 10-14psi range so I could just have people buy the wastegates from you. I don't make any profit off the wastegates I sell with the cyborg turbos ( medium EFR wastegate modded to fit a fit turbo ), so it would have been once less thing for me to do when someone buys a cyborg setup. But honestly, I don't think another 1-3psi will do it. With a cyborg on the stock wastegate at 100% duty cycle would only make 20-22psi. If anyone ever gets "super-cereal" with a cyborg as ask it to make 29psi on race gas or good fuels, then I don't think the 1-3psi extra in the gate will get them from the 20-22psi to 29psi... Your def right about the stock wastegate though. When I attached an extra spring to the stock wastegate, the boost started rising finally, but a random spring from Ace Hardware metal zip tied across the turbo wasn't a long term fix, lol. I actually pulled the vac line off at the track and logged the car making no more than 21psi peak on a cyborg. It will went 13.60 though, lol.

For stock turbo's, def an awesome solution and great price. Def better to use this than anything else ( like my modded efr wastegate ) on a stock turbo.

 

[Kip2MyLou]

Dang Adam... I was hoping the wastegate was gonna be in the 10-14psi range so I could just have people buy the wastegates from you. I don't make any profit off the wastegates I sell with the cyborg turbos ( medium EFR wastegate modded to fit a fit turbo ), so it would have been once less thing for me to do when someone buys a cyborg setup. But honestly, I don't think another 1-3psi will do it. With a cyborg on the stock wastegate at 100% duty cycle would only make 20-22psi. If anyone ever gets "super-cereal" with a cyborg as ask it to make 29psi on race gas or good fuels, then I don't think the 1-3psi extra in the gate will get them from the 20-22psi to 29psi... Your def right about the stock wastegate though. When I attached an extra spring to the stock wastegate, the boost started rising finally, but a random spring from Ace Hardware metal zip tied across the turbo wasn't a long term fix, lol. I actually pulled the vac line off at the track and logged the car making no more than 21psi peak on a cyborg. It will went 13.60 though, lol.

For stock turbo's, def an awesome solution and great price. Def better to use this than anything else ( like my modded efr wastegate ) on a stock turbo.

So for stock turbos this a good choice but for cyborgs or bigger turbos it's not?

 

[Tune+]

Dang Adam... I was hoping the wastegate was gonna be in the 10-14psi range so I could just have people buy the wastegates from you. I don't make any profit off the wastegates I sell with the cyborg turbos ( medium EFR wastegate modded to fit a fit turbo ), so it would have been once less thing for me to do when someone buys a cyborg setup. But honestly, I don't think another 1-3psi will do it. With a cyborg on the stock wastegate at 100% duty cycle would only make 20-22psi. If anyone ever gets "super-cereal" with a cyborg as ask it to make 29psi on race gas or good fuels, then I don't think the 1-3psi extra in the gate will get them from the 20-22psi to 29psi... Your def right about the stock wastegate though. When I attached an extra spring to the stock wastegate, the boost started rising finally, but a random spring from Ace Hardware metal zip tied across the turbo wasn't a long term fix, lol. I actually pulled the vac line off at the track and logged the car making no more than 21psi peak on a cyborg. It will went 13.60 though, lol.

For stock turbo's, def an awesome solution and great price. Def better to use this than anything else ( like my modded efr wastegate ) on a stock turbo.

You are reading this wrong. 1-3psi is the additional boost it provides on the stock turbo in the upper RPM. The spring in my IWG is over double of factory, so it is exactly what you are looking for. If your turbo can provide 30+ psi this IWG will support it.

You are confusing benefit pressure on stock turbo, with spring pressure in the actuator. I'm running one of my prototype actuators on a EFR, which is triple the size of your Cyborg

 

[Sourskittle]

Ok, I got yea !! I thought you were saying your spring setup was in the 7-8psi area. Then yea, for sure, you should be good with double the stock rating
One less thing on my list as long as the customers don't mind paying a little extra for your wastegate, I'll def send them your way when we need one. I just ordered my last efr wastegate last week then
I pay $75 for the wastegate, then pay a certified welder $25 to tig them, then I still have to mod the compressor cover a bit. So this is prob a cleaner, easier solution for only slightly more money and a side effect is that it can be sold to someone with a stock turbo later; without them having to mod their compressor housing. Good job Adam !!

 

[Sourskittle]

So for stock turbos this a good choice but for cyborgs or bigger turbos it's not?

I mis-understood I guess. I'm going to start having people that get the cyborg, buy these. That would make the cyborg $1350+ buy your wastegate from Adam, lol.

 

[JPGC]

I thought Adam was only planning 20 of these made to his specs...