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[F-35 ST]

can i just come test drive your car to see if i want it? lol

 

[Sourskittle]

The ATP kit comes with the hot pipe now? High quality BOV's are not cheap, and then your also venting into the atmosphere ( MAF sensor say's, "where did THAT air go?").
And I don't disagree. $2400-$2600 give take vs $1450 is only $1,000.00. Can a ATP turbo kit make 20psi at 3,000rpm? Nope.
But that's what I mean... What kind of power delivery are you looking for? What kind of money can you afford to part with? What peak power numbers are you looking for ?

Adam, I'll use any wastegate that someone is willing to pay for, lol. I'm personally using the tial knock-off. Personally, I'm extremely budget minded ( looks at $784 just spent on a meth setup, lol ). But if someone wants to use a $500 wastegate, I'm great with that. I mark up parts $0.00 on wastegates, wastegate actuators, and inlets. I make my personal profit from the port work, but I'm also the one spending 12 or more hours porting them. If someone wants a Synapse wastegate or turbo smart or anything else, I'll get a price, charge them THAT PRICE, but the labor and welding is still the same $250.

F-35. Actually... I would def let you drive my car if you were interested. Problem is... ASAP I'm going back to the stock turbo for a couple months, my personal cyborg is already sold

Early night guys !!!! I only worked 14 hours today !! I actually ate dinner, lol.

Seista riders turbo is done ( gotta do some slight inlet final fitting and its done anyway ).

Frankfiesta's turbine is done, I gotta get him my turbo asap, and the welder ran out of Argon to brace up the manifold, so waiting on me and that.

Joszer's turbocharger will hopefully be getting started tomorrow, while the port work will have to wait until I get the other guys ahead of him squared away.

Then.... I can get back to my personal turbo project and zillion dollar meth kit, lol

 

[Perfblue15]

The only other expense that the ATP kit requires is a bov and a boost tap.. About $250.00

Also IMO its better to buy new oil and water lines than fuck with em. Been there done that on other cars. Id gladly spend the 280 or whatever than piss with it.

Also how my math worked
Cyborg-1450
ATP 2860rs-2000, lines 280, boost thing 40, bov 100-200

I'll let the cat out of the bag I got my ATP 2560 kit for $1700, Turbosmart bov for $180, boost tap for $20, misc coolant and oil $50 and my lifetime E-tune for $250. Thats a total of $2200 with tune. If you look around deals are out there.For me the price was close enough to warrant the big turbo vs the cyborg. My power goals were beyond the capability of the cyborg.
Personally I feel for a canyon car/street car the cyborg is the way to go. For drag racers/track racers like myself looking for big power, big turbos are the only option. It's all about your person goals for the build and how you want your power to be delivered.

If you think my set ups laggy good luck with the 2860rs lol. I hear it is to big for a stock manifold





Sorry to thread jack.

 

[C. love]

I have Adams life time tune so the tuning is a non issue. You're right I could look around (I also have friends that work at shops that know a person or two which helps) or better yet say hey Perfblue buddy old pal when you sell your setup LMK. Fact is I am weighing options. My Fiesta isnt a track car so all out power isnt a concern but on the same note when is 250,300,350 enough power? The question is save a few hundred or not. lag or not I would probably opt for 2860 if i got new stuff...there are ways to help or fix boost lag.


I have a few months to hym and haw though. As it sits Its just like you say perf to track or to canyon carve.



Also thank you sourskittle for being cool about us having these conversations on your thread

 

[Sourskittle]

I'll let the cat out of the bag I got my ATP 2560 kit for $1700, Turbosmart bov for $180, boost tap for $20, misc coolant and oil $50 and my lifetime E-tune for $250.

I don't mind the off-topic talk a bit I'm def guilty of it at times.

So, if we don't have connections to get an ATP kit for $1700, and we pay the retail average for what most people are going to order from ATP at $2100.00, and add the $500 worth of add ons (do you not have to buy ATP's hotpipe to add the BOV? ), thats $2600.00 for most people, and that's in the middle. Some of there kits are $2200-$2300?.

Powerwise, the goal of the cyborg never was to compete with ATP ( and it was around before Russ/DHM even joined the forum ). The goal was to take the fist very fun drivability and give up as little as possible in exchange for it not falling on its face at 5300rpm. Shocking this is... It ended up beating some of the results from the smaller ATP kits.

But like we all agree, its not just how much peak power can you afford. Its what do you want ?

Now.. If the numbers make sense, I WILL BE building something to compete with ATP. It will be in the ATP price range too. And currently, I don't think I can build it cheap enough to make it make sense because the ATP kit is a great value.

IMO also... If want 380whp, you belong in a focus. Only reason they are not going as fast as us ( that I'm aware of ), is they have not gone to same lengths of "because race car" that we have. Even Rodmoe dropped his turbo size down after dropping the EFR.

 

[Perfblue15]

I don't mind the off-topic talk a bit I'm def guilty of it at times.

So, if we don't have connections to get an ATP kit for $1700, and we pay the retail average for what most people are going to order from ATP at $2100.00, and add the $500 worth of add ons (do you not have to buy ATP's hotpipe to add the BOV? ), thats $2600.00 for most people, and that's in the middle. Some of there kits are $2200-$2300?.

Powerwise, the goal of the cyborg never was to compete with ATP ( and it was around before Russ/DHM even joined the forum ). The goal was to take the fist very fun drivability and give up as little as possible in exchange for it not falling on its face at 5300rpm. Shocking this is... It ended up beating some of the results from the smaller ATP kits.

But like we all agree, its not just how much peak power can you afford. Its what do you want ?

Now.. If the numbers make sense, I WILL BE building something to compete with ATP. It will be in the ATP price range too. And currently, I don't think I can build it cheap enough to make it make sense because the ATP kit is a great value.

IMO also... If want 380whp, you belong in a focus. Only reason they are not going as fast as us ( that I'm aware of ), is they have not gone to same lengths of "because race car" that we have. Even Rodmoe dropped his turbo size down after dropping the EFR.

I've seen my same kit on eBay for 1759. I think there's one listed at that price now. The kit comes with the hot side pipe and all the oil feed/coolant lines. Like I said deals are out there people just need to look. The ATP kit and cyborg are 2 total different animals. The only reason I compared the 2 is C.love said he is shopping both kits. Before I decided I wanted 300whp I would have gone cyborg all day. Now that I'm power hungry my 2560 is borderline not enough. It's all about your personal goals for your build.

 

[Sourskittle]

As far as the stock exhaust manifold being "big enough", the external wastegate setup addresses this in a big way. Porting addresses it in a big way too. I've often told customers to make sure they compare the stock parts to the ported parts because pictures I've posted on the forum just don't capture the difference. When porting the manifolds, I enlarge the runners to the same size as the cylinder head, you don't lose any air speed and the flow is increased A LOT over the way they come. I've pointed it out a few times, but I think it needs pointed out again, the stock manifold from the factory, does not even fit the cylinder head correctly. When exhaust goes to exit the cylinder head, it hits a wall of cast stainless manifold 100% around the edge of the manifold runner/port.

That's a big issue in a critical place. It may not be an issue with you only have 25 lbs per hour of compressor wheel, but adding AT LEAST 20% more compressor wheel and its an issue. The manifold also chokes down all 4 cylinders into a neck that is only slightly bigger than one of the ports after I get done porting the runners. That is an issue. I increase it in size a lot too. But here is where the external setup comes into play with exhaust manifold flow/power potential.... Ideally, at low rpm, you'd want a very small port on the manifold and turbine to spool a turbo at the extreme bottom end because of air speed and heat, its a good conductor of energy. Problem is... With that, once the turbo is spooled and your making power, FLOW because an issue. If you hog out the ports/runners as big as you can, you lose speed/response/spool. If you leave them small, you lose flow/higher rpm power. By porting the runners 100% only as big as the exhaust ports on the head, it means I don't lose speed, but I increase flow and the air flow routing is smoothed out A LOT too. So its kind of a "meet in the middle" type of manifold. Great speed, great conductor of heat, and better flow up top. Its not gonna match the topend flow of a tube manifold that has double the internal volume, the same way a tube manifold will never conduct heat and match the low rpm air speed a cast manifold can have. Guys smarter than me (like Russ) use tricks like timing exhaust pulses to over come the low rpm speed issue, but... Like most great things, its not cheap ( and rightfully so, do you see me building tube manifolds? Lol ).

Ok... Back to the wastegate... When you hit full boost and the wastegate starts to crack open, a couple things happen... #1 the PRESSURE your exhaust valves/cams and pistons are fighting to open ( back pressure ) drops letting the motor breath easier. But it also diverts exhaust flow from ever reaching that necked down flange area or the turbine AT ALL. This happens on the cyborg somewhere around 4500-4600rpm give or take when it hits 27-29psi ( on my setup ). That means from 4500rpm to redline-6800rpm the external wastegate can release 1%-30% or more of your total exhaust FLOW before it ever gets to that choked down neck area or the turbine housing. So what you end up with, is a manifold that has low rpm air speed because the relatively small ports and short runners for spool and response, but at the sametime, when the wastegate starts to bleed off exhaust energy at peak boost, your now flowing lots of air AROUND THE NECK AND THE TURBINE instead of through it. You also don't get really bad turbulence at the downpipe flange (turbine exit) because only your turbine exhaust is exiting there, not your wastegate flow AND turbine exit flow trying to mix before traveling the downpipe TOGETHER. Your over all exhaust system size is also effective increased by around 30% if you vent the external wastegate into the atmosphere because its not putting that 30% of exhaust BACK into the catback/downpipe.

So many benefits to an external gate as close to the cylinders as possible on a durable stainless cast manifold, while venting the wastegate into the atmosphere and how many people have done it on cyborgs of ATP kits ???? None.... I talk to friends a lot about how a lot of inches can add upto a mile, and there are a lot of "inches" as to why an external gate on the stock manifold makes sense.

Disclaimer. This is not claiming its better than a $900-$1200 manifold. Simply pointing out some advantages, and that NO ONE has used them

I hope all that makes some sense guys my legs are numb, this toilet is too short, lol.

 

[Sourskittle]

Cyborg upgraded stock Turbocharger system

The next 4 cyborg setups sold will be $1200+shipping and core. That's $250 off the normal price.
I've been pretty busy lately and re-invested the profits into more cores. Building 4 at a time saved me some money so I'm passing that onto you guys.
After these 4 are sold, the price will go back to the normal $1450 price.
Either way, add $250 for the external wastegate option ( $365 for a real Tial MV-S.
$160 for full manifold heat wrap with turbo blanket and inlet heat wrap.

Orders will be filled in the order they are received. First orders paid are first orders shipped

 

[Sourskittle]

$1200 group buy list
#1
#2
#3
#4

 

[Joszer]

The next 4 cyborg setups sold will be $1200+shipping and core. That's $250 off the normal price.
I've been pretty busy lately and re-invested the profits into more cores. Building 4 at a time saved me some money so I'm passing that onto you guys.
After these 4 are sold, the price will go back to the normal $1450 price.
Either way, add $250 for the external wastegate option ( $365 for a real Tial MV-S.
$160 for full manifold heat wrap with turbo blanket and inlet heat wrap.

Orders will be filled in the order they are received. First orders paid are first orders shipped

Wow that's a solid deal. Makes me Jelly.

 

[JPGC]

Damn man.... I am moving to VA next month and am too tied up with money for the move at the moment. Otherwise I'd be all over this group buy. I plan to go with the Cyborg in the future as it doesn't require me to replace items that I already have and I like the very street able powerband. After taking this car to the mountains/ Deals Gap last July...I decided that your setup would be the best bet to keep the car fun in my preferred type of driving experience

 

[JasonHaven]

Ugh... I want it, but I need to wait.

 

[frankiefiesta]

2 words: PayPal credit.

Some good ol fashion American debt


Edit: don't do it. Been there, done that, plan on never doing that again. ITS A TRAP

 

[JasonHaven]

Mmmm credit. Got plenty available room... its more just wanting to take the mod path slow to make sure the engine's in good shape for long term reliability.

Though... I mean, I could get it, and just let it sit in a box for a while... nah. No way I wouldn't get it installed right away.

 

[SuperchargedTundra]

Very tempting. If I didn't have to tear the turbo out in the middle of winter to send the core in I'd prob jump on it.

 

[Sourskittle]

Very tempting. If I didn't have to tear the turbo out in the middle of winter to send the core in I'd prob jump on it.

I have all the cores
You do pay a core charge, but its 100% refunded when I get your good core in the mail

 

[FORZDA 2]

$1200 group buy list
#1
#2
#3
#4

Ok, I'll take it! The $1200 turbo setup + core. I have a core for you, but I'll pay it up front and send it when I get the Cyborg turbo from you. I already have a tube manifold. You include the IWG porting now, right?

 

[Sourskittle]

#1 paid
#2 paid
#3 forenza - un-paid

One more spot guys !!

 

[Sourskittle]

You include the IWG porting now, right?

Yes sir. I remove the wastegate arm so I can get deep into the wastegate without having to replace the disk ( because it basically destroys it when its removed ).

 

[JasonHaven]

Skittle, I sent a PM a few days ago, btw. Nothing urgent, though.