STRATIFIED - Aux Fuel System Now Available

[Hijinx]

What proof? So they come on and make a couple stupid comments. Where's the data from alex on said E85 cars? As big headed as he is he would have been all over that. Extensive knowledge on what? Bug emailed me for days asking for advice on how to do it. You seriously need to get alex's nuts out of your mouth and open your fucking eyes. I'm sorry your hero failed.

I think you're misunderstanding something. From what I gather, they don't have the data yet to give the green light to run straight E85. I doubt anyone was pissed about you being able to do it... That seems like an "everyone is out to get me" attitude. The same kind of attitude you're displaying here. It makes sense that they would ask you since you figured it out before them. Limited amounts of information sharing is a good thing for the community.

Besides, on my side of the fence it doesn't look like you've displayed much either, by comparison.

PSS- I'm trying to be unbiased with regards to the information flow. It's just my perception that you've got a poor attitude. I don't doubt that you may have some reason for it, though.

 

[Bugasu]

What proof? So they come on and make a couple stupid comments. Where's the data from alex on said E85 cars? As big headed as he is he would have been all over that. Extensive knowledge on what? Bug emailed me for days asking for advice on how to do it. You seriously need to get alex's nuts out of your mouth and open your fucking eyes. I'm sorry your hero failed.

Steve, please post up said emails. I keep all my emails, and I don't have any correspondence via e-mail with you. If I'm in err, please forward the emails to me at sgoldade@stratifiedauto.com and post them up here. Because I'm usually wordy, I'd appreciate you highlight the area asking for help setting up Aux fueling or E85 use.

I do have some PMs out with you however, asking you about E85 injection noise increasing, and about trying to get Flex Fuel maps enabled in SCT/Cobb, from when we supposedly "buried the hatchet". This is after our Focus ST aux kit was already to market and we sold quite a few. I took a quick glance over them, and I don't see me asking for help, just if you've had noise or could help get some support in the SCT realm for Flex Fuel as Cobb doesn't enable the tables.

I have maxed out the stock LPFP with our auxiliary system for the Focus ST on E85, to where LPFP starts to drop and I start to run lean.
All of my data is publicly available here, whether good, bad, or ugly. Most is from my very own car:
http://datazap.me/u/bugasu/

For example, aforementioned log, which gives you no clue that I'm running E85, but you can see LPFP drop from my target (92psi) to 80psi, HPFP drop out, and the car starts to run a little lean.
http://datazap.me/u/bugasu/log-1435108184?log=0&data=7-13-14-15-16-23-24-25-27-28-29

Or I don't know, this one of me testing out injector limits for high-load RPM with E85:
http://datazap.me/u/bugasu/e85-injector-limits

I don't see your logs anywhere either come to speak of it. Just pictures of LiveLink with a few things plotted. I've tested this on my own car, Alex on his, and I've remotely tuned someone else to the E85 limit as well on a 6758. We all run out of LPFP in about the same airflow region.

Our systems are fully E85 compatible, and while I'm not running E85 currently (usually stay around E50 as that's all I need to hit MBT and it gives me more fueling headroom), I've done it plenty enough to know how to do it.

I don't know why you dislike us so much. I have not a clue what I've ever done to "wrong" you, so I'd appreciate it for you to either make your claims publicly about what is wrong with our system, or to move along with being the "only Focus ST running straight E85".
[MENTION=688]Sourskittle[/MENTION], if you have any questions, feel free to post them up. I'll try to answer any questions publicly.
If anyone has questions they'd rather ask in private feel free to email me at sgoldade@stratifiedauto.com.

 

[dyn085]

I think you're misunderstanding something. From what I gather, they don't have the data yet to give the green light to run straight E85. I doubt anyone was pissed about you being able to do it... That seems like an "everyone is out to get me" attitude. The same kind of attitude you're displaying here. It makes sense that they would ask you since you figured it out before them. Limited amounts of information sharing is a good thing for the community.

Besides, on my side of the fence it doesn't look like you've displayed much either, by comparison.

PSS- I'm trying to be unbiased with regards to the information flow. It's just my perception that you've got a poor attitude. I don't doubt that you may have some reason for it, though.

This is common FoST crap. If you disagree with STeve it becomes a belligerent argument. Nothing new here.

 

[STeve]

Steve, please post up said emails. I keep all my emails, and I don't have any correspondence via e-mail with you. If I'm in err, please forward the emails to me at sgoldade@stratifiedauto.com and post them up here. Because I'm usually wordy, I'd appreciate you highlight the area asking for help setting up Aux fueling or E85 use.

I do have some PMs out with you however, asking you about E85 injection noise increasing, and about trying to get Flex Fuel maps enabled in SCT/Cobb, from when we supposedly "buried the hatchet". This is after our Focus ST aux kit was already to market and we sold quite a few. I took a quick glance over them, and I don't see me asking for help, just if you've had noise or could help get some support in the SCT realm for Flex Fuel as Cobb doesn't enable the tables.

I have maxed out the stock LPFP with our auxiliary system for the Focus ST on E85, to where LPFP starts to drop and I start to run lean.
All of my data is publicly available here, whether good, bad, or ugly. Most is from my very own car:
http://datazap.me/u/bugasu/

For example, aforementioned log, which gives you no clue that I'm running E85, but you can see LPFP drop from my target (92psi) to 80psi, HPFP drop out, and the car starts to run a little lean.
http://datazap.me/u/bugasu/log-1435108184?log=0&data=7-13-14-15-16-23-24-25-27-28-29

Or I don't know, this one of me testing out injector limits for high-load RPM with E85:
http://datazap.me/u/bugasu/e85-injector-limits

I don't see your logs anywhere either come to speak of it. Just pictures of LiveLink with a few things plotted. I've tested this on my own car, Alex on his, and I've remotely tuned someone else to the E85 limit as well on a 6758. We all run out of LPFP in about the same airflow region.

Our systems are fully E85 compatible, and while I'm not running E85 currently (usually stay around E50 as that's all I need to hit MBT and it gives me more fueling headroom), I've done it plenty enough to know how to do it.

I don't know why you dislike us so much. I have not a clue what I've ever done to "wrong" you, so I'd appreciate it for you to either make your claims publicly about what is wrong with our system, or to move along with being the "only Focus ST running straight E85".
[MENTION=688]Sourskittle[/MENTION], if you have any questions, feel free to post them up. I'll try to answer any questions publicly.
If anyone has questions they'd rather ask in private feel free to email me at sgoldade@stratifiedauto.com.

You know why I dont like Shitified I told you in the conversations we had for days on tuning E85. Are you seriously going to deny having a conversation with me about it to save face? Just like the edgeauto car claiming 471 and puts out 380 you guys just cant keep it real. I dont get it. You have plenty of loyal customers but to bullshit for financial gain and not to satisfy customers wants is why I have a problem. You know damn well this setup cant run full E85 just like the Focus setup. At least the guy building the setups for you knows they cant. Just so we're clear I have conversations with him too. Anyhow good luck trying to run E85.

 

[Hijinx]

I'm not saying he cant use E85 but he cant use full E85 the setup just isn't capable

You are saying this.

Stratified is saying "we're not sure yet, but until we know, we recommended blends."

I don't know how much other interaction you've had with them, but from what I can go on, Stratified has tried to remain neutral in the matter to preserve their name. Much like how Cobb does business. Could Cobb create a more power OTS tune? They sure could. Do they give us the resources for more powerful tunes? They sure do. That's what it looks like Stratified has done. They appear confident in what their product can do, so that's what they've labeled it as.

Meanwhile, you seem to be on crusade to disprove/prove something they haven't said. The world isn't so black and white, man. They're in the gray on this particular issue, and that's cool. They would have been in the wrong to say it CAN run full E85 with no issues, and would have been wrong to have never brought the product to the market. It seems as though you're trying to push them to admitting one of those extremes. Why? I don't know because I don't know your life.

 

[Bugasu]

You know why I dont like Shitified I told you in the conversations we had for days on tuning E85. Are you seriously going to deny having a conversation with me about it to save face? Just like the edgeauto car claiming 471 and puts out 380 you guys just cant keep it real. I dont get it. You have plenty of loyal customers but to bullshit for financial gain and not to satisfy customers wants is why I have a problem. You know damn well this setup cant run full E85 just like the Focus setup. At least the guy building the setups for you knows they cant. Just so we're clear I have conversations with him too. Anyhow good luck trying to run E85.

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Post it up. I am saying we've never had e-mails, and I specifically outlined the PMs I remember we had. If you got one proving I needed your help with aux tuning, go right ahead.
I am a no bullshit kind of guy. I want people to call me out when I'm wrong. I honestly do not have such a conversation you claim I made. If you have it, please, forward it and share it. I want nothing but to be forthright here.

Notice Scott said nothing about not being able to run E85. I just gave you logs of it. We've done it. I've pushed it hard enough to run out of LPFP. We don't recommend it because you don't need to run E85 to hit MBT, and it takes fueling headroom away just to do it. As people get higher and higher powered, they'll need, almost certainly in this realm more than on the FoST.

You can't tell me I've not done something when I've done it. We don't recommend it doesn't mean it can't do it. We very specifically spec'd stuff that can take the ethanol.


As to the Edge car, it put 471 down on a Mustang with WCF. Do you know what WCF is? Its a correction for the weather, and isn't accurate in Denver. They aren't openly going "Oh hey look we hit 500whp on VDyno but then broke". You don't see them posting up in "highest" horsepower STs trying to get on there. They use it to gauge their changes from Day 1 to now. They drive their car, and they drive it hard, and they're the fastest FoST that's been to the track so far, and that upsets you. You want to see us fail. I get it.

I'm flat out telling you, it can run E85. I've done it myself on the FoST to the limit of the LPFP.
We just don't push its usage in that way because people don't need to run it, and as such all it does to run it is eat up valuable fuel head room.

If you want to claim otherwise, I say prove it. Prove you're running pure E85 too there hotshot. Post up your data too! Mine of course is in my previous post. Some of its nasty and ugly, some of its clean, and all of it is available for your viewing. My mistakes, my experimentation, etc.

At the end of the day, we're all trying to push platforms forward, and offer products for people who desire them.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't lie about our stuff. It can run E85. We just don't recommend it.

 

[MikeyTwins]

Post it up. I am saying we've never had e-mails, and I specifically outlined the PMs I remember we had. If you got one proving I needed your help with aux tuning, go right ahead.
I am a no bullshit kind of guy. I want people to call me out when I'm wrong. I honestly do not have such a conversation you claim I made. If you have it, please, forward it and share it. I want nothing but to be forthright here.

Notice Scott said nothing about not being able to run E85. I just gave you logs of it. We've done it. I've pushed it hard enough to run out of LPFP. We don't recommend it because you don't need to run E85 to hit MBT, and it takes fueling headroom away just to do it. As people get higher and higher powered, they'll need, almost certainly in this realm more than on the FoST.

You can't tell me I've not done something when I've done it. We don't recommend it doesn't mean it can't do it. We very specifically spec'd stuff that can take the ethanol.


As to the Edge car, it put 471 down on a Mustang with WCF. Do you know what WCF is? Its a correction for the weather, and isn't accurate in Denver. They aren't openly going "Oh hey look we hit 500whp on VDyno but then broke". You don't see them posting up in "highest" horsepower STs trying to get on there. They use it to gauge their changes from Day 1 to now. They drive their car, and they drive it hard, and they're the fastest FoST that's been to the track so far, and that upsets you. You want to see us fail. I get it.

I'm flat out telling you, it can run E85. I've done it myself on the FoST to the limit of the LPFP.
We just don't push its usage in that way because people don't need to run it, and as such all it does to run it is eat up valuable fuel head room.

If you want to claim otherwise, I say prove it. Prove you're running pure E85 too there hotshot. Post up your data too! Mine of course is in my previous post. Some of its nasty and ugly, some of its clean, and all of it is available for your viewing. My mistakes, my experimentation, etc.

At the end of the day, we're all trying to push platforms forward, and offer products for people who desire them.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't lie about our stuff. It can run E85. We just don't recommend it.

You handle yourself and business like a professional sir... You will have my business soon!

 

[PestoBananaPie]

post it up. I am saying we've never had e-mails, and i specifically outlined the pms i remember we had. If you got one proving i needed your help with aux tuning, go right ahead.
I am a no bullshit kind of guy. I want people to call me out when i'm wrong. I honestly do not have such a conversation you claim i made. If you have it, please, forward it and share it. I want nothing but to be forthright here.

Notice scott said nothing about not being able to run e85. I just gave you logs of it. We've done it. I've pushed it hard enough to run out of lpfp. We don't recommend it because you don't need to run e85 to hit mbt, and it takes fueling headroom away just to do it. As people get higher and higher powered, they'll need, almost certainly in this realm more than on the fost.

You can't tell me i've not done something when i've done it. We don't recommend it doesn't mean it can't do it. We very specifically spec'd stuff that can take the ethanol.


As to the edge car, it put 471 down on a mustang with wcf. Do you know what wcf is? Its a correction for the weather, and isn't accurate in denver. They aren't openly going "oh hey look we hit 500whp on vdyno but then broke". You don't see them posting up in "highest" horsepower sts trying to get on there. They use it to gauge their changes from day 1 to now. They drive their car, and they drive it hard, and they're the fastest fost that's been to the track so far, and that upsets you. You want to see us fail. I get it.

I'm flat out telling you, it can run e85. I've done it myself on the fost to the limit of the lpfp.
We just don't push its usage in that way because people don't need to run it, and as such all it does to run it is eat up valuable fuel head room.

If you want to claim otherwise, i say prove it. Prove you're running pure e85 too there hotshot. Post up your data too! Mine of course is in my previous post. Some of its nasty and ugly, some of its clean, and all of it is available for your viewing. My mistakes, my experimentation, etc.

At the end of the day, we're all trying to push platforms forward, and offer products for people who desire them.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't lie about our stuff. It can run e85. We just don't recommend it.

i can say i have seen him put full e85 in his car

 

[Bugasu]

i can say i have seen him put full e85 in his car

Oh, I don't doubt he doesn't run E85. I know its possible at his power levels to stay full E85 on the stock fuel pump. His claim of running full E85 is reasonable. I'm just attempting frivolously to show he isn't as forthright with his data either.

It's his claim that our system can't do it. Or that it still injects when the throttle is closed (it doesn't unless you tune it to, which he should know. He uses the same controller), or basically anything else. I'm waiting to see how I didn't do it though, because apparently I'm flat out lying.

It's frankly ridiculous to say you can't run E85 through it.

 

[dyn085]

You need a nuts meme not popcorn

Wow, impressive response.

If we cut the BS we will realize that you are the one claiming that the system will never support E85 and that all anyone in this thread has asked from you is proof. Needless to say, you don't feel confident enough in supporting your claim in the open forum, and the one attachment you've provided only supports what Bugasu has stated about not needing full E85 on the FoST. Whatever it is you're trying to prove won't be proven without data, which you clearly lack or are unable to share.

You have linked us to irrelevant threads, flown off the handle for no apparent reason, and can't seem to produce anything even remotely close to backing your claims. Everyone in here is waiting for you to support your claims, but all you seem to be able to do is throw a temper-tantrum. Put up or shut up, plain and simple.

Start at the beginning of the thread and collect your data to support each of your claims and then post them here for everyone to see. Unless, of course, you would rather throw your temper-tantrum and ask for the thread to be closed and/or simply stop posting, lol.

 

[STeve]

Wow, impressive response.

If we cut the BS we will realize that you are the one claiming that the system will never support E85 and that all anyone in this thread has asked from you is proof. Needless to say, you don't feel confident enough in supporting your claim in the open forum, and the one attachment you've provided only supports what Bugasu has stated about not needing full E85 on the FoST. Whatever it is you're trying to prove won't be proven without data, which you clearly lack or are unable to share.

You have linked us to irrelevant threads, flown off the handle for no apparent reason, and can't seem to produce anything even remotely close to backing your claims. Everyone in here is waiting for you to support your claims, but all you seem to be able to do is throw a temper-tantrum. Put up or shut up, plain and simple.

Start at the beginning of the thread and collect your data to support each of your claims and then post them here for everyone to see. Unless, of course, you would rather throw your temper-tantrum and ask for the thread to be closed and/or simply stop posting, lol.

I dont need to prove anything. I can do it and they have no car over 415 whp so to claim at power levels it's not possible because of the LPFP and HPFP is just crazy. Its more tuner inexperience. There is a GTX powered 435 whp car running full E85 with my garage built set up and a 620 whp car running E70 now on stock pumps with a similar set up. It's a shitty design and dangerous and will never be capable of full E85 and they know it. When the setups starts getting installed and E85 isn't possible that will be the only proof I need. Like I said good luck.

 

[FearTheSnail]

All the shit talk aside, as someone who has had the prototype kit on his car I must say this system is awesome!

 

[Sourskittle]

All the shit talk aside, as someone who has had the prototype kit on his car I must say this system is awesome!

The aux kit or mpfi kit ?

 

[Sourskittle]

Why would running the Aux system on E85 drain the LPFP to the point of running lean, while making XXX Whp, while the MPFI setup wouldn't run the LPFP to the pump of dropping rail pressure and running lean?
360whp of fuel, is 360whp of fuel. And maybe their is the difference... Maybe the AUX system car makes 400whp, and 100% E85 is too much to ask of the LPFP, while the car with 360whp has the mpfi and the LPFP CAN KEEP UP with 360whp.

So... If the AUX car turned it boost down by 40whp worth, it would prob be able to handle E85 just fine. And the backwards is true as well, if the MPFI car turned the power up from 360whp to 400whp, then the same LPFP would be the limiter.

Or am I not getting what is happening ?

 

[FearTheSnail]

The aux kit or mpfi kit ?

Aux kit.

 

[dyn085]

I dont need to prove anything. I can do it and they have no car over 415 whp so to claim at power levels it's not possible because of the LPFP and HPFP is just crazy. Its more tuner inexperience. There is a GTX powered 435 whp car running full E85 with my garage built set up and a 620 whp car running E70 now on stock pumps with a similar set up. It's a shitty design and dangerous and will never be capable of full E85 and they know it. When the setups starts getting installed and E85 isn't possible that will be the only proof I need. Like I said good luck.

If you don't need to prove anything, why make claims to begin with? Why tell people to pm you? Why keep wasting our time?

The one pm you attached (which wasn't one of the emails that you claim to have from Bugasu) even backs up exactly what Stratified said in the FoST community about not needing the additional ethanol. It even backs everything Bugasu has stated here. You've done nothing but prove yourself wrong (at worst) or show that you can't substantiate anything (at best).

You sound like a spoiled kid that got his toy taken away. No one can trust what you're saying because you keep saying that all of these things happened but can't provide proof-even when the person you've accused has directly stated that if you provided the proof that he would acknowledge it. If anything, you're going to end up being Stratified's top salesman.

 

[Dustys318]

Aux kit.

I'm still waiting on my kit...

 

[FearTheSnail]

I'm still waiting on my kit...

I still don't have mine either. The one that I ran was the prototype. It is still on my car, but it's not tuned on anything other than 110.

 

[PestoBananaPie]

what controller do you use?

 

[Bugasu]

I dont need to prove anything. I can do it and they have no car over 415 whp so to claim at power levels it's not possible because of the LPFP and HPFP is just crazy. Its more tuner inexperience. There is a GTX powered 435 whp car running full E85 with my garage built set up and a 620 whp car running E70 now on stock pumps with a similar set up. It's a shitty design and dangerous and will never be capable of full E85 and they know it. When the setups starts getting installed and E85 isn't possible that will be the only proof I need. Like I said good luck.

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I'm far from inexperienced. I reverse engineer the Ford ECU system as part of my role. I know about inner workings to a very low level, to the point that I know why Cobb made a custom wastegate controller. Also why they don't want to flat out enable the Flex Fuel tables, as there's a lot of stuff calibrated when you simply turn it on. I have a very good understanding of what this ECU does and why. Plenty of others instead just dial up boost, and tweak timing and fuel and call it a day.

I maxed out my stock pump at about 450whp on E85, and this was with me verifying pump voltages were as high as the ECU would allow me to command. It just wouldn't hold pressure, because that's what pumps do when they run out of fuel. There's no magic tuning switch that suddenly makes the pump able to move more fuel than it physically can. I could've probably got a boost-a-pump and raised the voltage beyond what the ECU allows maximum, but that's asking to burn the poor guy out. There's a reason you see other people offering in-tank pump upgrades for their similar systems. But they're all nuts too I'm sure.

It's fully capable of E85, and you know it.
By the way, I love how you bring VDyno in. You always went on in the Focus forum about how VDyno means nothing, but I guess it only depends on when you can use it correct? Chris's car is quite powerful indeed, and I don't doubt its in that neighborhood, but he's got wheelspin there. Horsepower should not be an upside down V. Get him on a "real" dyno.

I've already tuned one other person besides myself on full E85 per his request. We hit the same fuel pump limit I got where the pump could not be pushed any farther. We checked with Cobb on further fuel pump control access, and we were told flat out that we hit the limit of the pump.

My own car VDynos in the high 490s, or when I choose to use a gear I can get wheelspin in:

Kind of ridiculous eh?

And I'm sure Russell@DHM will prove you wrong shortly enough.