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Front Mounted Intercooler

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You think you could explain the difference between the two of them?
Well for one they are two different types of cores. A tube and fin core actually flows air better than a Bar and Plate. Tube and Fins were always designed as automotive intercoolers and most factory intercoolers from automobile manufacturers are Tube and Fin, this includes the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Nissan, etc..
Bar and Plate were designed for low rpm machinery i.e industrial use.
Lets move beyond that though. Thing is Bar and Plate was championed and Pioneered for use in automotive applications back in the 90’s by Sparco a intercooler manufacturer who specializes in Bar and Plate and Turbonetics a Garrett based Turbo company.

The major differences in the designs are basically with a bar and plate you can pack more cooling lines in a smaller space at the expense of airflow. What does this mean? This means that even though you have reduced airflow you have increased cooling capacity. This is fine as long as one does not heat soak.

Now Tube and Fin flow more air but used to have les cooling capacity until recent technological developments of Square tube and fin which allows for a denser core that is still air flow efficient. The benefits of the Tube and Fin and sometimes the issue bar and plate fans like to point out is the Tube and Fin will heat soak faster. Which used to be more true than it is with the newer designs.
The flip side of that is the fact that a Tube and Fin will also cool down faster.
A bar and plate if it heatsoaks which it takes awhile to do will actually take longer to cool back down. Essentially leaving the Turbo car stranded in the pits while the team waits for the heatsoaked intercooler to cool down to the point where the car can boost again. As blowing hot air kills boost.

Bar and Plate are also so prevalent that it makes them really cheap to sell. Hence the boon of cheap aftermarket intercoolers all being Bar and Plate.

So Mountune initially used a small *( larger than our stock intercooler) Tube and Fin in the UK . Where ambient temps are pretty much way cooler than a lot of North America. So it was discovered that it was too small an intercooler for anything besides stock turbo tuned cars.
They switched to a Bar and Plate that actually has more bars than the tube and fin one had tubes. So it was essentially a larger core in roughly the same dimensional area.

Does that help?
 


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except all the negative is based off their old tube and fin Intercooler that was smaller . The newer one has a larger core that is Bar and plate and works well enough that they sell it with the MRX Turbo in a kit.
So what you are talking about is based off outdated info and they no longer sell the Intercooler that did not work well with Hybrids.

For the OP I feel for the extra $100 getting the Airbox as well is a really good deal. You have to look at it as it lowers the overall cost of everything. Plus Ford took the ST200 Airbox design directly from the Mountune and the ST200 did have more HP than the ST180. It is a true cold air intake and that is a true benefit for our cars.
So you believe it’s worth it to get the cold air intake in the FB3 package? You feel it provides a HP and TQ increase? Or what benefit would it provide or negatives if it wasn’t installed with all the other items?
 


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So you believe it’s worth it to get the cold air intake in the FB3 package? You feel it provides a HP and TQ increase? Or what benefit would it provide or negatives if it wasn’t installed with all the other items?
Its hard to quantify all those questions Mountune did put everything together and report an increase in airflow. We own Turbocars the more airflow we can get the better. Considering the price to benefit factor as most either put on a different intake or try to modify the stock airbox to be cold air its worth it.

Honestly lots of the small bolt ons do not produce significant increases on their own but can amount to something when put together. Your biggest area of hp and tq increase is going to be in an AP and tunes. Then its larger turbos.

Though these accessories can help those numbers. I know guys with big turbos running Mountune airboxes or ST200 airboxes so there is definitely a benefit to getting it.
Is it going to give you crazy numbers I would say no, will it help some with everything else yes.
 


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Well for one they are two different types of cores. A tube and fin core actually flows air better than a Bar and Plate. Tube and Fins were always designed as automotive intercoolers and most factory intercoolers from automobile manufacturers are Tube and Fin, this includes the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Nissan, etc..
Bar and Plate were designed for low rpm machinery i.e industrial use.
Lets move beyond that though. Thing is Bar and Plate was championed and Pioneered for use in automotive applications back in the 90’s by Sparco a intercooler manufacturer who specializes in Bar and Plate and Turbonetics a Garrett based Turbo company.

The major differences in the designs are basically with a bar and plate you can pack more cooling lines in a smaller space at the expense of airflow. What does this mean? This means that even though you have reduced airflow you have increased cooling capacity. This is fine as long as one does not heat soak.

Now Tube and Fin flow more air but used to have les cooling capacity until recent technological developments of Square tube and fin which allows for a denser core that is still air flow efficient. The benefits of the Tube and Fin and sometimes the issue bar and plate fans like to point out is the Tube and Fin will heat soak faster. Which used to be more true than it is with the newer designs.
The flip side of that is the fact that a Tube and Fin will also cool down faster.
A bar and plate if it heatsoaks which it takes awhile to do will actually take longer to cool back down. Essentially leaving the Turbo car stranded in the pits while the team waits for the heatsoaked intercooler to cool down to the point where the car can boost again. As blowing hot air kills boost.

Bar and Plate are also so prevalent that it makes them really cheap to sell. Hence the boon of cheap aftermarket intercoolers all being Bar and Plate.

So Mountune initially used a small *( larger than our stock intercooler) Tube and Fin in the UK . Where ambient temps are pretty much way cooler than a lot of North America. So it was discovered that it was too small an intercooler for anything besides stock turbo tuned cars.
They switched to a Bar and Plate that actually has more bars than the tube and fin one had tubes. So it was essentially a larger core in roughly the same dimensional area.

Does that help?
Well said and described, thanks
 


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Well for one they are two different types of cores. A tube and fin core actually flows air better than a Bar and Plate. Tube and Fins were always designed as automotive intercoolers and most factory intercoolers from automobile manufacturers are Tube and Fin, this includes the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, Nissan, etc..
Bar and Plate were designed for low rpm machinery i.e industrial use.
Lets move beyond that though. Thing is Bar and Plate was championed and Pioneered for use in automotive applications back in the 90’s by Sparco a intercooler manufacturer who specializes in Bar and Plate and Turbonetics a Garrett based Turbo company.

The major differences in the designs are basically with a bar and plate you can pack more cooling lines in a smaller space at the expense of airflow. What does this mean? This means that even though you have reduced airflow you have increased cooling capacity. This is fine as long as one does not heat soak.

Now Tube and Fin flow more air but used to have les cooling capacity until recent technological developments of Square tube and fin which allows for a denser core that is still air flow efficient. The benefits of the Tube and Fin and sometimes the issue bar and plate fans like to point out is the Tube and Fin will heat soak faster. Which used to be more true than it is with the newer designs.
The flip side of that is the fact that a Tube and Fin will also cool down faster.
A bar and plate if it heatsoaks which it takes awhile to do will actually take longer to cool back down. Essentially leaving the Turbo car stranded in the pits while the team waits for the heatsoaked intercooler to cool down to the point where the car can boost again. As blowing hot air kills boost.

Bar and Plate are also so prevalent that it makes them really cheap to sell. Hence the boon of cheap aftermarket intercoolers all being Bar and Plate.

So Mountune initially used a small *( larger than our stock intercooler) Tube and Fin in the UK . Where ambient temps are pretty much way cooler than a lot of North America. So it was discovered that it was too small an intercooler for anything besides stock turbo tuned cars.
They switched to a Bar and Plate that actually has more bars than the tube and fin one had tubes. So it was essentially a larger core in roughly the same dimensional area.

Does that help?
Yes. That actually explains everything really well. Thank you!
 


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Ya I actually feel Tube and Fin is better but there are not a lot of options for it unless you go Pumaspeed R Spec pro 300 for $569 ,
Or Wagner or Pro Alloy. Which are dope but expensive.
Yeah I love the look of the Pro Alloy through the top grill, but it is way to expensive, and I would never need that much cooling anyways.
 


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