Which LSD?

[kevinatfms]

MFactory LSD here also. Works wonders and was the single best mod for the car to date. Should have come with an LSD from the factory.

 

[bflan2001]

Anybody know of a shop in the SF Bay Area familiar with the install? I've gotten some pretty crazy quotes, cheapest one was 2k!

 

[Woods247]

Nice to see people taking diffs so personally in here.

In other words get over it guys. If your diff works for you be happy . Some choose a different diff using different tech thats patented and does work.
If they feel its worth paying more for what is the problem. You did not buy it they are buying it.

Uh oh. My bad dude. I tried the gif kidding thing and it didn’t work. I really don’t give a shit what people buy. I’ll bail out of your posts.. ✌🏼

 

[Dpro]

Uh oh. My bad dude. I tried the gif kidding thing and it didn’t work. I really don’t give a shit what people buy. I’ll bail out of your posts.. ✌🏼

no worries man, its like I just thought it was rather funny that some of the Mfactory guys felt it extremely important they let people know the Mfactory is cheaper. I was not so much calling you out or anything .Truth is I don’t care either . I just post info for people to know apparently it set some off.

 

[Baddie]

I have the MFactory yeah. I’ve had it for quite awhile now with no issues. It’s the best performance mod I’ve done to the car without question. I bought it because they have a reliable reputation and the price is reasonable. It works really well with the factory torque vectoring control system. As soon as TVC kicks in it locks the diff which immediately makes TVC disengage. It saves front brake wear tremendously and the car will pull hard out of turns under heavy throttle. If you need a diff for a FiST, just buy the MFactory and be done. You can message them here to buy direct. Im sure the Quaife is just as good but it’s more expensive and does the same thing. I didn’t want a clutch LSD because they’re high maintenance and usually noisy.

hmm, you seem to know your stuff, you don't strike me as a smack talker just for the sake of it. I'm leaning more to the wavetrac lsd. Just wondering WHO near me will install it. Mountune I've heard from 3 people not to go with them because they're not reliable. I'm in pomona california btw. there's a shop in san diego but this is a multi day install so I am not going there. Any advice from you or anyone who knows a reliable shop please share.

 

[ronmcdon]

definitely look into FSWERKS in anaheim.

had my Wavetrak done there along with upgraded clutch. maybe 30 min away from pomona. they've done this job quite a lot and labor rates seem reasonable.

 

[anticon]

I wonder if the torque vectoring would take care of the lift off problem that the wavetrac solves. It seems like it might. If it senses a wheel spinning it hits the brakes? Any thoughts?

 

[flbchbm]

definitely look into FSWERKS in anaheim.

had my Wavetrak done there along with upgraded clutch. maybe 30 min away from pomona. they've done this job quite a lot and labor rates seem reasonable.

I'm curious if you have the original or the next version with improved carbon fiber discs inside.

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[ronmcdon]

hmmm not really sure to be honest. I purchased the part in Nov '20. Was not aware if there was an improved version afterwards. Part number is 56.309.145WK

 

[MFactory]

I wonder if the torque vectoring would take care of the lift off problem that the wavetrac solves. It seems like it might. If it senses a wheel spinning it hits the brakes? Any thoughts?

Yes, it does. This is why Quaife left the development on the drawing board as they regarded it as a waste of time on any modern car with traction control (Quaife were the ones that actually came up with the design, not the other company)

 

[M-Sport fan]

Yes, it does. This is why Quaife left the development on the drawing board as they regarded it as a waste of time on any modern car with traction control (Quaife were the ones that actually came up with the design, not the other company)

Is there still enough torque vectoring function left inherently in the programming to accomplish this, even if one turns the whole ESC system off as far as they are able, every time they start the car?

 

[Dpro]

Yes, it does. This is why Quaife left the development on the drawing board as they regarded it as a waste of time on any modern car with traction control (Quaife were the ones that actually came up with the design, not the other company)

I call marketing BS on this statement there is nowhere where it says that Quaife came up with the concept that Wavetrac actually has a patent pending on, and discarded it because it was not needed in modern cars with traction control.

A statement so suspect as to be uttered by a competitor

Sorry but you show bad business acumen by trying to throw shade on them. Not only do I not believe you but most people disable traction controls in competition and spirited driving so this makes your claim even more circumspect.

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for all of the above reasons you have cemented the fact that I will never consider your product.

p.s. for anyone agreeing with above running our TQ vectoring system during track use or canyon driving is just crazy. It tears your bakes up fast. This advice by the vendor above should send one running away as he obviously speaks without experience on our platform.

 

[Jabbit]

I don't think Mfactory is trying to fool anyone or lie to anyone here. It seems like all the LSD offerings for our platform are strong but different.

 

[Dpro]

I don't think Mfactory is trying to fool anyone or lie to anyone here. It seems like all the LSD offerings for our platform are strong but different.

Its a matter of business etiquette one does not slag on their competitors which is what they are doing.

 

[foodtruck]

Is there still enough torque vectoring function left inherently in the programming to accomplish this, even if one turns the whole ESC system off as far as they are able, every time they start the car?

In our cars, some amount of torque vectoring is always on. From supplemental manual:

Unlike electronic stability control,
enhanced torque vectoring control does
not slow the vehicle but does help control
excessive wheel slip and gives the vehicle
cornering agility. The system only increases
performance. Because of this, enhanced
torque vectoring control is not disabled
when the AdvanceTrac system is off.

 

[flbchbm]

In our cars, some amount of torque vectoring is always on. From supplemental manual:

Correct. Not to pick nits here, but tq vectoring is not part of TC/ESC, hence, no off switch.

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[M-Sport fan]

^^^Thanks for clearing that up, as I always thought that it is at least partially disabled when the ESC button is pressed for the full 10 seconds necessary to get the dash light to show.

 

[MFactory]

Its a matter of business etiquette one does not slag on their competitors which is what they are doing.

On the contrary, I'm not slagging off anyone.

The "competitor" used to be the US distributor for Quaife (well known fact)

Quaife ditched the project, and the "competitor" decided to then ditch "Quaife" and release their own "Made in USA" LSD (well known fact). Infact, if it wasn't for us, the "competitor" wouldn't even have a working LSD as we helped them fix their design flaw (not a well known fact). Of course, the "competitor" won't admit this as they at the time did not even know we were their competitor; they just knew of us as North America's largest Honda transmission specialist and needed our help.

Quaife (in the UK) designed/developed the "locking" mechanism (not a well known fact). This was directly from one of their lead engineer's mouth. You may be able confirm this directly with Quaife if you talk to them at the NEC Autosport Show, but whether they will directly tell a member of the public or not (rather than an engineer in the industry like myself), I'm not sure. The "competitor" definitely won't admit it though.

As for business etiquette, here's what your favourite company did to us with the VAG crowd (which is their speciality market):

- We setup a pre-order for an LSD + Final Drive (hypoid ring & pinion)
- The "competitor" decided to offer our customers their LSD as well, but without the Final Drive, saying there was no way we could make it (despite the fact that we already make ring & pinions for multiple RWD cars for years) and that machining work was the only possible way (which was absolute BS. We had already finished all the R&D work and all that was left to do was to actually make the parts)
- Being either patriotic and/or gullible like yourself, most of the customers decided to drop out of our pre-order and go for the "competitors" offering instead. We had to refund over 30 customer' deposits because of the "competitor"
- Months later, the "competitor" decided it was impossible for them to do. Being the great business that they are though, they decided to keep all the deposits that they took from the customers as "payment" for their R&D i.e They screwed over all the customers
- A lot of the customers then started pleading for us to help them, but by that time, we had zero interest in the VAG crowd anymore and have denied any helping them with any new projects over the past few years

The moral of the story? It's not just about making money; we make more profit doing our oem projects than we do with these limited aftermarket parts. I am the sole reason why our parent company makes aftermarket parts and we do so because of my "interest" in the street performance market. If you don't show me respect (like what the VAG crowd done when they ditched us), then why should I help you in future?

Take what you can from that

P.S Most modern day cars are NOT track cars; they are road cars. Most road cars that are converted into track cars run Plate LSD's (not Helical). This is why both Quaife and ourselves offer Plate LSD's and not an "in between" LSD jacked up with marketing BS. As for using torque vectoring, there are several track cars (but sold as road cars i.e a lot of supercars) that don't even have an LSD as standard as they solely rely on torque vectoring. I guess they got it all wrong then?

 

[Dpro]

On the contrary, I'm not slagging off anyone.

The "competitor" used to be the US distributor for Quaife (well known fact)

Quaife ditched the project, and the "competitor" decided to then ditch "Quaife" and release their own "Made in USA" LSD (well known fact). Infact, if it wasn't for us, the "competitor" wouldn't even have a working LSD as we helped them fix their design flaw (not a well known fact). Of course, the "competitor" won't admit this as they at the time did not even know we were their competitor; they just knew of us as North America's largest Honda transmission specialist and needed our help.

Quaife (in the UK) designed/developed the "locking" mechanism (not a well known fact). This was directly from one of their lead engineer's mouth. You may be able confirm this directly with Quaife if you talk to them at the NEC Autosport Show, but whether they will directly tell a member of the public or not (rather than an engineer in the industry like myself), I'm not sure. The "competitor" definitely won't admit it though.

As for business etiquette, here's what your favourite company did to us with the VAG crowd (which is their speciality market):

- We setup a pre-order for an LSD + Final Drive (hypoid ring & pinion)
- The "competitor" decided to offer our customers their LSD as well, but without the Final Drive, saying there was no way we could make it (despite the fact that we already make ring & pinions for multiple RWD cars for years) and that machining work was the only possible way (which was absolute BS. We had already finished all the R&D work and all that was left to do was to actually make the parts)
- Being either patriotic and/or gullible like yourself, most of the customers decided to drop out of our pre-order and go for the "competitors" offering instead. We had to refund over 30 customer' deposits because of the "competitor"
- Months later, the "competitor" decided it was impossible for them to do. Being the great business that they are though, they decided to keep all the deposits that they took from the customers as "payment" for their R&D i.e They screwed over all the customers
- A lot of the customers then started pleading for us to help them, but by that time, we had zero interest in the VAG crowd anymore and have denied any helping them with any new projects over the past few years

The moral of the story? It's not just about making money; we make more profit doing our oem projects than we do with these limited aftermarket parts. I am the sole reason why our parent company makes aftermarket parts and we do so because of my "interest" in the street performance market. If you don't show me respect (like what the VAG crowd done when they ditched us), then why should I help you in future?

Take what you can from that

I stand corrected apparently, and also appreciate the technical detail you have stated here. It makes me want to investigate further all of this.

However…..
perhaps do not try to pin Wavetrac on me as my favorite company just because I was championing them for the concept and the patent. Also calling potential customers gullible online in a thread directly to them is pretty good way to lose business not gain .

As far as you claiming no one shows you respect or you think they do not claining that does not play well in public when trying to get business it actually kind of comes off petty.


You do not know me or know if you have lost my business before opening your mouth. By what you have done here though, you have gone from possibly swaying me to want your product to getting a bad taste as you can’t seem to back away from making it personal.

Even if you are correct and your product is fine your interaction with a potential customer is not.

 

[MFactory]

I stand corrected apparently, and also appreciate the technical detail you have stated here. It makes me want to investigate further all of this.
Suggestion though, perhaps do not try to pin Wavetrac on me as my favorite company just because I was championing them for the concept and the patent. You do not know me and perhaps should by trying to get me as customer. In stating them as my favorite customer that makes it personal and comes off pointed.

And thus is the reason why I decided to give up posting/replying regularly on forums for quite a while now; I'm very direct at what I say, I don't talk marketing BS (unless it's my own sales thread) and I can at times be a little sarcastic/personal (and for that I apologise)

Rather than clutter up this thread though, if you want to talk/learn a bit more, you are always free to PM me (on the condition that everything in a "private" message stays private)