Turbo Transformer Performance Module

[Sam4]

Anyone know anything about this, or have tried it? Seems like magic spermwhale jzz to me....

 

[CanadianGuy]

A whole section on it:
http://www.fiestastforum.com/forum/forums/72-Turbo-Transformer

 

[CivicAssassin]

Also...http://www.fiestastforum.com/forum/threads/6388-Turbo-Transformer-Anyone-get-the-BT-upgrade-yet

 

[MitchsFiesta]

These falsify the signal from the T-MAP and allow more boost. More boost without taking out timing = bouncing off the knock sensor.

 

[Sam4]

Thanks for all the info, next time I'll try the search feature a little harder!

 

[Turbo Transformer]

These falsify the signal from the T-MAP and allow more boost. More boost without taking out timing = bouncing off the knock sensor.

Not necessarily true; while the T-MAP (commonly known as TIP on ecoboost forums) signal does get altered, the manifold pressure sensor signal remains unchanged. Meaning the information used for the fuel and timing calculations by the ECU is real. The result is a safe increment in boost. I would add that several tunes add timing anyway and rely on the knock sensor for adjustment. And last but not least, the factory tune is quite conservative on the timing to account for varying ambient temperatures, altitude and most importantly the fuel quality (octane).

 

[CivicAssassin]

These falsify the signal from the T-MAP and allow more boost. More boost without taking out timing = bouncing off the knock sensor.

After reading this, you did have me worried. I went and monitored a few 3rd gear pulls (2500-redline) with my AP. Didn't get a single knock count, and the Ign Corr was giving me the full +6. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area. If there's any other specific parameters I can monitor, to check it out, let me know.

 

[Tune+]

After reading this, you did have me worried. I went and monitored a few 3rd gear pulls (2500-redline) with my AP. Didn't get a single knock count, and the Ign Corr was giving me the full +6. I'm not very knowledgeable in this area. If there's any other specific parameters I can monitor, to check it out, let me know.

You are running a TT with an AP?

 

[CivicAssassin]

Yeah. Cobb OTS Stg 1 93 Oct.

 

[Tune+]

Yeah. Cobb OTS Stg 1 93 Oct.

Curious why you didn't utilize your Accessport to increase boost with proper tuning? You could do a custom tune and have 5 map slots with different boost levels depending on what type of driving you are doing.

 

[Turbo Transformer]

Several people are stacking a Tune and a Turbo Transformer.

 

[Tune+]

Several people are stacking a Tune and a Turbo Transformer.

I'm curious why, do you have some information on added benefits? I would like to see if there is something I am missing and could possibly utilize to my advantage with my customers.

 

[Pete]

I just bought a bluetooth turbo transformer. So I can give a review when I recieve and install it. I too will be running it with a tune. But my tune is the MP215 from Mountune so I have a locked accessport. Even if I were to upgrade to the MR230 I would probably use the turbo transformer if it does what I have read. Mainly for track days to put in a few gallons of race gas and crank the boost up.

 

[Tune+]

I just bought a bluetooth turbo transformer. So I can give a review when I recieve and install it. I too will be running it with a tune. But my tune is the MP215 from Mountune so I have a locked accessport. Even if I were to upgrade to the MR230 I would probably use the turbo transformer if it does what I have read. Mainly for track days to put in a few gallons of race gas and crank the boost up.

You will only benefit from race gas if you are having ignition corrections right now. If your ignition corrections max out before the end of the run you won't get any advantage. Even then the factory ECU always reverts to the lowest timing table. If you were to get some added timing from the racegas and it exceeded your normal timing table it would move over into another map and just hold timing. I always recommend getting a map slot on the Accessport setup specifically for race gas so you can get the full benefit. In your case you really don't have a choice as you have a locked AP. .

 

[meFiSTo]

You will only benefit from race gas if you are having ignition corrections right now. If your ignition corrections max out before the end of the run you won't get any advantage. Even then the factory ECU always reverts to the lowest timing table. If you were to get some added timing from the racegas and it exceeded your normal timing table it would move over into another map and just hold timing. I always recommend getting a map slot on the Accessport setup specifically for race gas so you can get the full benefit. In your case you really don't have a choice as you have a locked AP. .

I kind of look at using race gas (any kind of boost to octane) at track days as a preventive measure -- to delay/defer/block detonation as the engine starts to get hot with the excessive use of sustained WOT conditions (rather than really providing any added horsepower). Is that magical thinking?

 

[dyn085]

Basically, yes. There are already temperature controls to reduce timing based on increased heat so if you started seeing negative corrections you would want to address the tune instead of the fuel.

Always adjust the tune to the fuel, never the other way around.

 

[CivicAssassin]

Because I wouldn't have the first clue where to begin. Not to mention the cost. This way works great, and haven't had any kind of issues.

 

[Tune+]

I kind of look at using race gas (any kind of boost to octane) at track days as a preventive measure -- to delay/defer/block detonation as the engine starts to get hot with the excessive use of sustained WOT conditions (rather than really providing any added horsepower). Is that magical thinking?

Yes, and no. You will see below.

Basically, yes. There are already temperature controls to reduce timing based on increased heat so if you started seeing negative corrections you would want to address the tune instead of the fuel.

Always adjust the tune to the fuel, never the other way around.

Exactly, as charge air temps raise timing is reduced. As coolant temperature rise, timing is reduced. As ambient air increases, wastegate duty cycle is reduced (boost). There are a ton of compensations.

Race gas will help, I'm not denying that you will make more power, but not as much as you would guess. Using it as preventative measures isn't a bad idea, but the ECU is really the start there.

Because I wouldn't have the first clue where to begin. Not to mention the cost. This way works great, and haven't had any kind of issues.

Gotcha, not a problem I was just curious. E-tuning is what I was referring to, shameless plug for myself I guess haha.

 

[Pete]

I will agree its more of a preventive measure hence why I would not fill the whole tank up with it. probably just get 4 gallons for a track day and put in 2-3 more gallons of 91. I also remember hearing Ken's podcast from Mountune stating that the cars with the MP or MR tunes wake up some more with race gas. I wonder if they have the tables altered for different fuels. For example on my MP215 I cold still run 87 octane if I wish but the power is reduced.

I will agree the more proper way is to tune the ECU for the fuel. But in my case I can't really do that. If I gain a few HP yay! But in all reality I am just doing it to prevent an engine knock on the track with some slightly higher boost levels.

 

[Turbo Transformer]

I just bought a bluetooth turbo transformer. So I can give a review when I recieve and install it. I too will be running it with a tune. But my tune is the MP215 from Mountune so I have a locked accessport. Even if I were to upgrade to the MR230 I would probably use the turbo transformer if it does what I have read. Mainly for track days to put in a few gallons of race gas and crank the boost up.

Nice ride Pete - the TT you received has a matching case - it should also glow in the dark. I look forward to your review and comments.

Out of curiosity, would you have preferred a black case? or a "glow-in-the-dark" green?