Turbo Technics S280

[Ecmdrw5]

My car is in boost while it idles.

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Yeah. My idle is set to 2750. Lol


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[jayrod1980]

So Adam told me s280 without ethanol isn’t possible for 300 whp, in either injector/pump upgrade trim or aux. What is feasible with just updated injectors and 93 octane?

 

[Muldoon]

So Adam told me s280 without ethanol isn’t possible for 300 whp, in either injector/pump upgrade trim or aux. What is feasible with just updated injectors and 93 octane?

Adam and I started to get knock before we ran out of fuel on 93. Vdyno was 270 hp, I forget the torque. I don’t think uprated injectors will help.

With e30, we’re over 300 now, according to vdyno at least.

 

[MagnetiseST]

Adam and I started to get knock before we ran out of fuel on 93. Vdyno was 270 hp, I forget the torque. I don’t think uprated injectors will help.

With e30, we’re over 300 now, according to vdyno at least.

Stock fuel system?

 

[Muldoon]

Stock fuel system?

Yessir

 

[Se7eN]

So Adam told me s280 without ethanol isn’t possible for 300 whp, in either injector/pump upgrade trim or aux. What is feasible with just updated injectors and 93 octane?

Again, the one I installed reached 279whp on a real dyno right when it started getting knock during the summer heat wave. Had to get a lighter tune for the summer heat and that did about 266whp. 100% stock fuel system on crappy 93oct that's about 9% ethanol blend.

 

[jayrod1980]

Is there anything out there that will do 300 on stock fuel? Does the MRX make more or less than the S280?

 

[wetwea33]

Is there anything out there that will do 300 on stock fuel? Does the MRX make more or less than the S280?

Mrx is a turd. Why is everyone obssed with 300whp. The difference between 280whp and 300whp is barely noticeable.

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[Ford ST]

I agree. I don't understand the 300 horsepower thing. Unless y'all are using the exact same Dyno it is comparing apples to oranges well maybe oranges to tangerines.

You can't compare 300 horsepower in 90 degree heat on a mustang dyno to somebody in 60 degree heat on a dynojet.

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[jayrod1980]

It’s just an honest question... if you are paying $1500-$3000 for a turbo and related parts, you want at least a 50 hp increase.

I’m just trying to find out which set up is worth getting. I don’t want to go ethanol because it’s difficult to source on a daily driver where I am.

Aside from that, the S280 kit looks great. Aside from shaving the block, I’m very impressed at how nice everything is and how far they went to make it easy with all the connections to pipes, bypass valve, downpipe etc.

 

[Dpro]

It’s just an honest question... if you are paying $1500-$3000 for a turbo and related parts, you want at least a 50 hp increase.

I’m just trying to find out which set up is worth getting. I don’t want to go ethanol because it’s difficult to source on a daily driver where I am.

Aside from that, the S280 kit looks great. Aside from shaving the block, I’m very impressed at how nice everything is and how far they went to make it easy with all the connections to pipes, bypass valve, downpipe etc.

I explained this earlier in the thread as to why people pick 300hp is part psychological. Anyways that said. The S280 whether one gets the straight kit or the Peron s284 ( s280 kit (that comes with the upgraded wastegate and a new blowoff valve) . are nice clean kits that allow one to go upgrade without having to think about a lot of extra stuff. .

The only real competition is the Whoosh Hybrid but its a hybrid and that means you might be pushing it a bit., I have studied dyno sheets for both Turbo’s and while the Whoosh has a huge donkey kick at the bottom it does seem to fall off more in the mid to top end in relation to the S280. I have also noticed that the S280 is only down 50ftlbs of tq between 1500 and 2200 rpm after that it responds TQ wise like stock up till around 32 where it takes off in a nice somewhat more linear upwards bend TQ wise. This translates to smooth consistent power delivery that is just going to pull like mad. No its not going to kick you in the bottom end but in return it delivers smooth power that goes all the way to redline and beyond only limited by fueling.
So ya if someone wants to spin tires and have their guts smashed up against the seat between 2-3k go Hybrid If want to move quickly and go like a freight train go s280.
I think that sums it up. Forget about raw HP numbers concentrate on how it feels when it drives. thats where looking at dyno charts not for the pure HP but for the rev tq/hp bands helps.

 

[M-Sport fan]

It’s just an honest question... if you are paying $1500-$3000 for a turbo and related parts, you want at least a 50 hp increase.

Even though I agree with the whole 'anti-300 WHP benchmark' thing, as yes, it is hard to quantify (as Ford ST has stated so well above), and yes, sort of a 'false' psychological feel good point, I can most certainly also agree with the above as well.

I personally will NOT go to any aftermarket turbo unless it gets me at least near that 'magic 300 number' (and 250-260 to the wheels is NOT anywhere near in MY book!) under ANY/ALL conditions, whether that requires all of the co$tly ancillary add-ons/options or not, especially for that $3K (or well above) amount of coin mentioned.

Otherwise, it is just not worth the bother, the greater chances of things going totally 'south' (even with pitch perfect tuning/revisions), and co$t to me, personally, no matter how great it 'feels' at 250-260 to the wheels.

 

[Dpro]

Even though I agree with the whole 'anti-300 WHP benchmark' thing, as yes, it is hard to quantify (as Ford ST has stated so well above), and yes, sort of a 'false' psychological feel good point, I can most certainly also agree with the above as well.

I personally will NOT go to any aftermarket turbo unless it gets me at least near that 'magic 300 number' (and 250-260 to the wheels is NOT anywhere near in MY book!) under ANY/ALL conditions, whether that requires all of the co$tly ancillary add-ons/options or not, especially for that $3K (or well above) amount of coin mentioned.

Otherwise, it is just not worth the bother, the greater chances of things going totally 'south' (even with pitch perfect tuning/revisions), and co$t to me, personally, no matter how great it 'feels' at 250-260 to the wheels.

Except the Turbo's being discussed here are anywhere from $1400-2k( yes the Peron S284 kit is $1999) max. No one is talking about a 3k Turbo. Nor are they saying you are limited to 260hp realistically if you have 93 where you live you could pull off 270-280 if you run ethanol you could see more. Also quite honestly speed wise 20 hp is not going to make that much of a feel difference. If that were so than the KER's unit on F1 cars would only give them a 20hp boost lol instead of a 80hp boost. .
So ya for discussions sake I think you missed the points. As the pricing is not what you mentioned nor is the hp that much different feel and acceleration wise.

 

[jayrod1980]

With respect, the turbo kits may “only” be $1500-2000, but once you start adding on fuel pumps, injectors, aux kits, ported manifolds, 3 bar sensors, etc, the price goes up fairly quickly.

 

[M-Sport fan]

OK, but IF you are going to use the "20 WHP is not going to make that much of a feel difference" argument, then why couldn't that very same argument be used for any aftermarket turbo system (even if only $1500.00, all inclusive) only making 20 to 30 WHP over what some are getting out of well tuned factory snails on E30 (albeit yes, on very forgiving dynos, in perfect conditions, yada, yada, etc., etc.)??

 

[Dpro]

With respect, the turbo kits may “only” be $1500-2000, but once you start adding on fuel pumps, injectors, aux kits, ported manifolds, 3 bar sensors, etc, the price goes up fairly quickly.

Ported manifolds are a waste of time and money. The one that AET sold had a proven numbers sheet that was about 10% better for around $200.

The extrude honed manifold has no flowbench work showing its superior its based off the numbers of the ported one with no testing or flowbench work. Used to port stuff back in the day for performance it was all about port and flowbench to see the actual proven results. .
Want a lesson in flow dynamics? Extrude honing is not as beneficial as some seem to think.
The surfaces wind up too smooth which causes turbulence which actually works against better flow that is where ported its better. You still have rough surfaces for the air to grab so it can create a channel for high flow.


Whereas the air in extrude honed areas tumbles into itself doubt me? Go study flowbench and porting work by engine builders . I have friends that build high performance engines for a living. I have learned these things.

The amount of HP increase is not worth the cost offset its a unneeded mod. You only need a manifold when you are putting on a Turbo that will not bolt to stock manifold .

All the parts you are talking about are parts that will get you over the 300 hp mark so they are again not needed. If one wants to go injectors and aftermarket fuel pump to hit 300 they have already got a system that will hit up in the 350hp range.

You do not need any of the other the stuff you listed unless one is shooting north of 350 for a 400hp plus machine .

OK, but IF you are going to use the "20 WHP is not going to make that much of a feel difference" argument, then why couldn't that very same argument be used for any aftermarket turbo system (even if only $1500.00, all inclusive) only making 20 to 30 WHP over what some are getting out of well tuned factory snails on E30 (albeit yes, on very forgiving dynos, in perfect conditions, yada, yada, etc., etc.)??

Except most people have not touched 230hp on E30 the biggest gains E30 gives you is TQ on a stock snail not to mention that with a hybrid or a bigger turbo you get the top end that not matter what. You do not get that with the stock snail which falls flat on its face at 5500 rpm and that's after a peak of around 219hp .

So ya the bolt on hybrid or aftermarket Turbo might top out at 270 on stock fuel but that is gonna hit and pull straight to redline on a S280 and pretty damn well with a hybrid. Have you even driven a hybrid or aftermarket vs tuned stock? I have since I own a tuned stock and I have been in a s242, GT2860R II and driven a Whoosh Hybrid. Believe me all 3 felt ten times better than stock in just seat of the pants acceleration.

People get really hung up on Dyno numbers like I mentioned before. What they should be looking at is TQ and HP curves on the dyno charts. That will tell you a lot more about how its going to feel and accelerate rather than just raw numbers.

People are way to hung up on raw numbers and you seemed to have dropped yourself in that camp as well. i would have thought by now with the cars you have had and experience you had moved beyond focusing on that. I guess not.

 

[Ford ST]

20 to 30 horsepower over the stock turbo what? come on man you know more than that.

The post above explains it perfectly.



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[M-Sport fan]

Just saying that these setups had BETTER 'feel' at least 10x greater than fully tuned stock, (regardless of the actual numbers or even where they fall), to be worth the coin and bother involved, that's all.

 

[Dpro]

Just saying that these setups had BETTER 'feel' at least 10x greater than fully tuned stock, (regardless of the actual numbers or even where they fall), to be worth the coin and bother involved, that's all.

Honestly fully tuned stock gets slow fast. jokes aside tunes wake things up from stock but thats about it. IMO . If you want real speed as in move past people like they are standing still a upgraded turbo is the only answer.
For instance my friend Danny started out with a MP215 then went MR230 now he has a S242 and yes his car hauls ass. The fact that he progressed through all of those to where he is now tells you that.
Thing is this stuff is a little subjective as some people are perfectly happy with how the car runs with a MP215 setup for instance.
When I bought my car it felt quick though it was slow. It zipped even though it was slow. If I was not a person who have driven and owned much more powerful cars in my life I might have gone ok this is fine. Though being somewhat competitive by nature and wanting to give that more powerful car a run when they do not expect it. I had to have more power,. Thats me subjectively.

 

[jayrod1980]

I hope all that aggression wasn’t directed at me... I’m trying to spend once on a build as I already wasted thousands on the car when I bought it on stuff that didn’t net much. I could have spent half of what I spend and been playing with a hybrid/better turbo long ago. I guess you live and learn... plus modding is fun, and addicting.

With this, I’m just trying to find out what is needed with an S280 to max it out with 91/93 octane. Fully stock fuel system, or aux? I mean, the S280 is also great because if I wanted to get crazy later there’s room to grow with ethanol and all that. I’d like to find out what is needed to just get all the safe power it can put out on pump gas.