Pipe Down! Mishimoto Charge-Pipe R&D!

[mishimoto1]

Any updates to this? Maybe an intercooler/charge pipe package?

Thanks for the interest John! No updates as of right now, we are still working up some functional prototypes for testing. We should have some more information to post in around 3-4 weeks.

Re: the symposer port, maybe put a threaded bung there and include a screw-in cap for those who don't want it, and a nipple for those who do?

Good idea here Archer, thanks for the input. It would be nice to offer just one pipe that could fit the needs of both customers.

-John

 

[mishimoto1]

Time for a project update!

Pipe Down! Mishimoto Fiesta ST Charge Pipe R&D, Part 3: First Prototype Evaluation

Good news! Our first prototype intercooler pipe kit is complete. We can now evaluate both fitment and functionality on our Fiesta. Let’s take a look at each pipe we created.

Prototype Cold-Side

First we have the more complex pipe of the pair, the cold-side.

Fiesta ST charge pipe prototype

Complexity comes in the way of multiple bends combined with numerous pipe-mounted features. To the right side of the pipe, you can see the flat flange that serves as a mounting point for the factory pressure sensor. This flange is CNC-machined to provide a proper seal.

Fiesta ST charge pipe prototype

Just down the pipe from this flange you can see a mounting bracket and a nipple. The bracket is a component that may be eliminated from our design. We are evaluating the rigidity of the design with and without the additional bracket to determine if it is needed. The nipple attaches to a quick disconnect vacuum line running throughout the engine bay. Here is another look at the pipe.

Fiesta ST charge pipe prototype

The last feature is the symposer port. We had a decent amount of discussion through forums and social media regarding our inclusion of this port. Many customers choose to delete the sound symposer while others will retain it. For this first prototype, we’ve opted to keep it and include a coupler and plug for those who have deleted the system.

Fiesta ST charge pipe prototype

In a previous segment of this R&D series, we had discussed the intended benefits of this pipe kit that include power output and improved flow. We will be conducting tests to ensure this is the case; however a physical display of the size and smoothness gives an indication of potential benefits. Check out a couple of comparison images of the stock pipe next to our prototype.

Cold-side intercooler pipe comparison

Cold-side intercooler pipe comparison

Prototype Hot-Side

Next up, our hot-side prototype pipe.

Mishimoto Fiesta ST performance parts

Slightly less complex, this pipe combines a couple of bends and one mounting bracket to attach the pipe to a stud on the transmission. The factory pipe mounts in the same fashion. One more look at our hot-side prototype.

Mishimoto Fiesta ST performance parts

The stock hot-side is much smaller than this prototype. Check out a couple of comparison shots showing this!

Hot-side intercooler pipe comparison

Not only is the stock pipe multiple pieces, which means the potential for more failure points, but it also necks down to 1.5” piping between the resonator and turbo connection point. Our piping is 2.5” in diameter from the turbo to the intercooler.

Hot-side intercooler pipe comparison

The Boots!

Along with the piping kit, we also designed a few FIST-specific boots to create robust connection points between the piping, intercooler, and turbocharger.

Mishimoto Fiesta ST performance parts

The boots we designed are constructed from 5-ply silicone, capable of any boost pressure you intend to run through the 1.6L. The two outer boots shown are the connection points between the intercooler and pipes. The boot second from the left is the turbo connection point. One boot is missing from this image, our throttle-body boot. This will be included in the final kit as well.

The smallest coupler in this image is our symposer delete inclusion. When installed along with the CNC-machined plug, these pieces eliminate the functionality of the stock symposer system.

One more look at the components created during our first stage of prototyping.

Mishimoto Fiesta ST performance parts

Coming Up - Prototype Test Fitting

Next time we will be bolting these pipes into place on our FIST to check fitment and make any necessary design adjustments.

Keep an eye on our blog for more awesome updates on Mishimoto Fiesta ST performance parts.

Thanks for reading!
-John

 

[supercrackerbox]

Impressive. Just the other night I was looking at that hot side pipe and wondering WTF Ford was thinking. Even more impressive is your investment in quality control. I know those CMM systems are NOT cheap.

 

[mishimoto1]

Impressive. Just the other night I was looking at that hot side pipe and wondering WTF Ford was thinking. Even more impressive is your investment in quality control. I know those CMM systems are NOT cheap.

Thanks! We are always adding interesting equipment to our facility. Each new tool is in place to improve the speed and accuracy of the product development process.

We should have another update on this project later in the week.

-John

 

[Mr.Franchise009]

Hope this will work with the J-Line i have sitting in the box ready to install once these become available.

 

[mishimoto1]

Hope this will work with the J-Line i have sitting in the box ready to install once these become available.

Interesting question here. Luckily we have a Fiesta, our pipe kit, and a J-line intercooler. Once we perform a test fit I will let you know!

-John

 

[koozy]

You guys should consider offering the cold pipe seperately. A number of people have different hot side pipe due to their special requirements like an upgraded turbo kit that renders the stock or stock like pipe useless. All some may want or need is just the cold side pipe to the throttle body. In fact, I think you would sell more cold side pipes, than as a whole kit with both pipes.

 

[Perfblue15]

You guys should consider offering the cold pipe seperately. A number of people have different hot side pipe due to their special requirements like an upgraded turbo kit that renders the stock or stock like pipe useless. All some may want or need is just the cold side pipe to the throttle body. In fact, I think you would sell more cold side pipes, than as a whole kit with both pipes.

I don't usually agree with this guy but +1 to what he said. Due to my big turbo a hot side charge pipe for a stock turbo would be useless for me. But I am interested in upgrading my cold side pipe. If you offered the cold side alone I would definitely purchase it.

 

[Wimp Lo]

I bet most people who only want cold side don't want a sound symposer either, leave it off.

 

[RAAMaudio]

At 63.6 years of age I have had to deal with far to many posers whatever their first name was....just say no to POSERS!

It would be pretty easy to offer the cold side either way and you really should offer just the cold side for those with big turbos, etc... please

Thanks for making so many parts for this great car!

Rick

 

[mishimoto1]

You guys should consider offering the cold pipe seperately. A number of people have different hot side pipe due to their special requirements like an upgraded turbo kit that renders the stock or stock like pipe useless. All some may want or need is just the cold side pipe to the throttle body. In fact, I think you would sell more cold side pipes, than as a whole kit with both pipes.

I don't usually agree with this guy but +1 to what he said. Due to my big turbo a hot side charge pipe for a stock turbo would be useless for me. But I am interested in upgrading my cold side pipe. If you offered the cold side alone I would definitely purchase it.

I bet most people who only want cold side don't want a sound symposer either, leave it off.

At 63.6 years of age I have had to deal with far to many posers whatever their first name was....just say no to POSERS!

It would be pretty easy to offer the cold side either way and you really should offer just the cold side for those with big turbos, etc... please

Thanks for making so many parts for this great car!

Rick

Thanks for the recommendations guys! We will be offering the pipes both separately and within a kit. Vehicle fitment details coming soon!

-John

 

[RAAMaudio]

Great news and thanks

Hope you have the cold side w/o poser as well, pretty simple step to skip when making them

Keep up all you are doing for the this great car we love!

Rick

 

[mishimoto1]

Great news and thanks

Hope you have the cold side w/o poser as well, pretty simple step to skip when making them

Keep up all you are doing for the this great car we love!

Rick

Thanks Rick!

 

[mishimoto1]

Quick update guys!

Pipe Down! Mishimoto Fiesta ST Charge Pipe R&D, Part 4: Prototype Test Fit

A few weeks ago we completed our first set of prototype pipes. After a quick evaluation by our team, it was time for a vehicle test fit. Last week we set our Fiesta ST (FIST) up on a lift and began swapping the stock piping for our components.

First, the hot-side pipe was bolted into place.

Mishimoto Fiesta ST performance parts installed

The hot-side pipe slid into place perfectly. Our mounting bracket lined up, and the hardware properly secured the pipe into place.

The cold-side pipe was a bit more challenging to install, but soon we had it in place as well.

Mishimoto Fiesta ST performance parts installed

Mishimoto Fiesta ST charge pipe installed

As with the hot side, all components lined up and connected properly. Both our quick-connect vacuum line and the symposer port were properly situated for an easy install. We will need to make one adjustment to this pipe, however; the mounting bracket you see in the images above will be eliminated. We found that the connection points provided ample support for the pipe, so this bracket was deemed unnecessary.

Check out a shot of both pipes installed on our FIST!

Mishimoto Fiesta ST charge pipes installed

Very nice! After installation we handed the keys to a member of our team and sent him on the road for some initial stress testing. We’ve heard a few reports of hot-side brackets becoming bent or shearing during use, and we wanted to be sure that our design would not meet a similar demise.

Coming Up: Dyno Testing

In addition to testing the durability of our kit, we also want to evaluate power output. We will be performing dyno tests with each pipe individually as well as with the full setup. Our Fiesta is stock otherwise, so this should give us a baseline for gains on the stock turbo.

Keep an eye on our blog for updates on other new Fiesta ST performance parts from Mishimoto!

Thanks for reading!
-John

 

[Wimp Lo]

Looking at the cold side, I would like to know if it will clear your Fiesta ST radiator.

Also, I suggest you put a stock rear motor mount in it and make videos of the engine and charge pipes from underneath when you dyno test, that will show the movement and if any couplings get stressed.

 

[supercrackerbox]

Also, I suggest you put a stock rear motor mount in it and make videos of the engine and charge pipes from underneath when you dyno test, that will show the movement and if any couplings get stressed.

Good idea. Although, that looks like a stock mount to me?

 

[mishimoto1]

Looking at the cold side, I would like to know if it will clear your Fiesta ST radiator.

Also, I suggest you put a stock rear motor mount in it and make videos of the engine and charge pipes from underneath when you dyno test, that will show the movement and if any couplings get stressed.

Thanks Wimp! We did test our piping kit for fitment with our larger radiator. All components have adequate clearance, you should not have any issues when using these components together.

That would be a great way to inspect for the impact of movement on that pipe. Unfortunately we already completed our dyno runs (data coming soon). This video may have to wait for a future dyno day. Definitely a great idea though, thank you.

Good idea. Although, that looks like a stock mount to me?

Sure is!

-John

 

[15Fist3rST]

Subscribed for interest!

 

[mishimoto1]

Subscribed for interest!

Thanks!

-John

 

[mishimoto1]

First round of testing is complete. Check out the details below!

Pipe Down! Mishimoto Fiesta ST Charge Pipe R&D, Part 4: Prototype Testing

We are nearing the completion of this project. Our engineering team is ready for dyno testing that will verify any power gains made with our larger-diameter intercooler piping. Exactly how much larger is the piping we designed?

Fiesta ST charge pipe volume comparison hot side

The Mishimoto hot-side design provided the greater increase in volume between the two, coming in at a 51% increase over the stock pipe.

Fiesta ST charge pipe volume comparison, cold side

We did not have quite as much room to grow on the cold-side, but we still managed an increase of 22% in internal volume over the stock pipe.

Along with the volume increase, our piping features smooth mandrel bends with minimal interruptions caused by additional connection points or changes in inner pipe diameter.

Testing

Power output data is frequently used for evaluation of a piping upgrade. We will be running tests with each pipe individually and then a final set of runs with both the cold-side and hot-side pipes installed.

To provide an accurate representation, each plot reflects an average of three runs for each setup. Our Fiesta ST is still on the stock tune, which will provide a nice baseline for our testing.

Let the pulls begin!

[video=youtube;_qsNOkA02XU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qsNOkA02XU[/video]

Data

First, let’s take a look at the hot-side charge pipe results.

Fiesta ST performance parts testing

As you can see, just bolting up this charge pipe provided instantaneous power gains through the entire rpm band. Maximum gains recorded were 4 whp and 5 wtq. We are averaging gains of 3.25 whp and 2 wtq from 3,500 rpm through redline.

Next up, a look at our plot for the cold-side charge pipe test.

Fiesta ST performance parts testing

The cold side of the CAC (charge air cooler) system produced the biggest gains, with maximum output gains of 7 whp and 8 wtq. Average gains measured 5 whp and 5 wtq from 3,500 rpm through 6,100 rpm. Very impressive results for such an easy-to-install component.

Once each pipe was individually tested, we bolted on the full kit and completed the test once again. Interestingly, results were nearly identical to our second set of test data obtained with just the cold-side pipe installed. Our assumption is that we’ve reached maximum efficiency in airflow through the piping system in relation to the stock tune. Further gains would most likely be possible with higher boost levels and additional tuning.

Coming Up – Discounted Pre-Sale

With positive results in our pockets, we are ready to begin constructing our first batch of kits. We will make slight tweaks to the bracketing for the cold-side pipe, but otherwise the design of this prototype will be reflected in our final product.

We will be launching a discounted pre-sale for individual hot-side and cold-side pipes as well as the full kits. Updates on that coming soon!

Keep an eye on our blog for additional updates on upcoming Fiesta ST performance parts.

Thanks
-John