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Pipe Down! Mishimoto Charge-Pipe R&D!

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Pipe Down! Mishimoto Charge-Pipe R&D! Pre-sale Details Page 5

Hey guys,

A new project is in the works here at Mishimoto! Check out the details on our blog or posted within this thread.

http://engineering.mishimoto.com/category/ford-fiesta-st-charge-pipe-kit-2014/


Pipe Down! Mishimoto Fiesta ST Charge Pipe R&D, Part 1: Factory Hot Side and Fabrication

We have plans for an absolutely awesome intercooler for the Fiesta ST, so it only makes sense to pair it with an equally robust intercooler pipe setup. The stock piping is adequate at best but certainly deserves some attention, because we need to obtain as much airflow as possible from the Fiesta ST. This first portion of R&D will cover the fabrication of our hot-side pipe.

Stock Hot-Side

Before jumping into fabrication, let�s first check out the stock hot-side piping assembly!


Stock Fiesta ST hot-side charge pipe

What an interesting piece! The coupler on the end of the pipe mates with the turbocharger compressor outlet, which then runs into metal piping 1.5� in diameter. Air passes through the strange looking chamber that functions as a resonator. Another coupler attaches the pipe to a metal tube 1.75� in diameter, and includes a mounting bracket that attaches it to oil pan studs. Once past the metal hose, a rubber coupler finishes the route to the hot side of the intercooler.


Stock Fiesta ST hot-side charge pipe hose

This hose steps up from 2� at the pipe connection to 2.5� at the intercooler side.

Check out a couple shots of this pipe installed on the Fiesta!


Stock Fiesta ST hot-side charge pipe assembly installed


Stock Fiesta ST hot-side charge pipe assembly installed

This pipe has six individual connection points. We can certainly improve on this design. Five individual pieces make up this assembly; our plan is to design a one-piece pipe with two coupler connections. In addition, we will be increasing the pipe diameter for improved airflow. Simplicity, effectiveness, and a nice improvement in airflow are what we are going for with the hot-side pipe.

Prototype Fabrication

We�re starting our design at the turbo and working our way toward the intercooler. Below is a look at the compressor outlet with the stock piping out of the way.


Fiesta ST turbocharger compressor outlet

The route begins! We started with a coupler that attaches the 1.6� turbocharger outlet to the 2.5� intercooler piping we intend to use throughout. We then cut and tacked a few pieces of additional piping to follow the path of the stock assembly.


Fiesta ST hot-side charge pipe fabrication

We mocked up our proposed coupler shape and size to mate with the rest of our piping.


Fabricating Fiesta ST performance parts

We then continued to add piping to our prototype, working forward toward our intercooler boot.


Fabricating Fiesta ST performance parts

Some welding is required!


Fabricating Fiesta ST performance parts

Soon we had our prototype mocked-up and in position!


Fabricating Fiesta ST performance parts

You�ll notice we have a different coupler on our intercooler connection; this should be more representative of the coupler we will include in the final product.


Fiesta ST hot-side intercooler coupler

To provide additional support, we need a mounting bracket similar in design to the stock bracket. We will be tying into one of the oil pan studs with a simple flat bracket.


Fabricating Fiesta ST performance parts

Here�s a look at our final prototype pipe!


Fabricating Fiesta ST performance parts

A beadroll at each pipe end completes our fabrication portion of R&D for the hot side. This pipe is being designed to function with a 2.5� intercooler connection, which means it will bolt right on to the stock intercooler as well as our upcoming direct-fit intercooler. Check out the development of our intercooler here: http://engineering.mishimoto.com/category/ford-fiesta-st-performance-intercooler-2014/.

Data Collection


Fiesta ST hot-side charge pipe CMM

Before completely shutting the door and throwing the lock on this project, we need to create a 3D model of our final design, which will help with manufacturing accuracy and quality control.

We are using our CMM (coordinate measuring machine) table to grab dimensions from our prototype pipe. This allows us to capture all the geometry needed for our model.


Fiesta ST hot-side charge pipe CMM

Coming Up!

Our hot-side development is complete, which puts us halfway through finishing our kit. Check back next time for a look at the process we followed to construct our cold-side prototype.

Thanks for reading!
-John
 


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Cold side pipe that goes all the way to the TB and deletes the sound symposer and doesnt cost a ridiculous amount *cough*cobb*cough*
 


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Cold side pipe that goes all the way to the TB and deletes the sound symposer and doesnt cost a ridiculous amount *cough*cobb*cough*
Got it! We are tackling the cold-side R&D in our next segment.

Thanks
-John
 


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Project update!

Pipe Down. Mishimoto Fiesta ST Charge Pipe R&D, Part 2: Cold-Side Prototype Fabrication

Stock Cold-Side Features

We had it pretty easy during the design phase of our hot-side intercooler pipe. A simple design with relatively common features, not overly complicated. The cold-side is a different story.


Stock Fiesta ST charge pipe

As you can see, this pipe features a few complex pieces and also follows an unusual path. On the right side at the top of this image, you can see the end of the pipe that mates to the intercooler coupler and hose. This portion of the pipe also houses a pressure sensor, a mounting bracket, and a vacuum-line port.


Stock Fiesta ST charge pipe

Each of these features will be replicated in our design, and in addition we will be increasing the piping size to 2.5” throughout. The stock piping features ends with 2.5” diameters; however, most of the inner portion of the pipe measures around 2” in diameter. The stock throttle-body diameter measures in at 2.25”, so we will be using a reducing coupler at this connection point.

The other end of the pipe features the port for the sound symposer.


Stock Fiesta ST charge pipe

Here’s one more look at this stock intercooler pipe installed.


Stock Fiesta ST charge pipe installed

Pipe Route Fabrication

Before handling the unique sensor connection, mounting points, and BPV fitting, we started to fabricate the piping portion of the design. Compared to the stock unit, our pipe would feature a larger internal diameter for achieving improved flow. Because of this increased diameter, we needed to ensure that our component would have appropriate clearance within the confined space between the engine and cooling fan.

Check out some of our handiwork!


Fabricating Fiesta ST performance parts


Fabricating Fiesta ST performance parts

After finalizing our projected route, we mocked-up the location of the necessary mounting components, the sensor port, the symposer port, and the vacuum port.

Check out a couple shots of our mock-up unit.


Mishimoto fabricated Fiesta ST performance parts


Mishimoto cold-side pipe, initial prototype

Keep in mind that this is a rough prototype. The primary function of this piece is to locate each feature so we can input this information into our upcoming 3D model. This is in no way designed to be a functional or pretty piece.


Mishimoto fabricated Fiesta ST performance parts

The image above shows the location of our symposer port, vacuum port, and the mounting bracket for the pipe.

The next shot shows our location for the pipe-mounted pressure sensor.


Mishimoto cold-side pipe, initial prototype

Coming Up!

After constructing our two prototype pipes, we need to export our data into a 3D model in Solidworks. Once complete, we can produce functional prototypes and conduct some dyno testing.

Next time we will have our 3D models complete and ready to display for your viewing pleasure!

Thanks for reading!
-John
 


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Project update!

Pipe Down. Mishimoto Fiesta ST Charge Pipe R&D, Part 2: Cold-Side Prototype Fabrication

Stock Cold-Side Features

We had it pretty easy during the design phase of our hot-side intercooler pipe. A simple design with relatively common features, not overly complicated. The cold-side is a different story.



Check out a couple shots of our mock-up unit.

Nice...I'd like to see you guys just offer this cold side pipe "without" Symposer port! [twothumb]
 


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Nice...I'd like to see you guys just offer this cold side pipe "without" Symposer port! [twothumb]
Thanks for the recommendation! I was actually waiting to see if any members would chime in with such a request. Passing this on to our team!

-John
 


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Thanks for the recommendation! I was actually waiting to see if any members would chime in with such a request. Passing this on to our team!

-John
thx John!

Might be helpful to also post a poll ...
 


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thx John!

Might be helpful to also post a poll ...
Not a bad idea. Looks like we already have 3 votes for symposer removal. Considering these have been the only responses in regards to the cold-side, I would have to assume there will be many that prefer this. Potential poll on the way!

I'll vote for a "without" option as well.
Yep, please do away with the kazoo.....
Thanks for the input guys!

-John
 


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Either one of the images is wonky, or this new charge pipe looks like bread :D
Strange, perhaps this was a momentary error. All images are looking fine now.

Bread would not be an optimal material for pressurized intercooler piping. Although the heat might toast it and provide a nice snack for the road.

-John

Thanks for the input!
 


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Re: the symposer port, maybe put a threaded bung there and include a screw-in cap for those who don't want it, and a nipple for those who do?
 


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