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Matt Farah's Fiesta ST

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I did not haggle. Felt like $18k was fair. Matt was throwing in extras and being straight up with me too. He only wanted to do emails so. To try and save $500 and potentially make him wishy washy didn't seem worth it. So what winter tires should I put on? And how much will they cost? It will be the southern route. If anyone wanted to try the car in person. Might be able to make that happen. Oh, and radar detectors. Which one?
 


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Congrats! General Altimax Arctics seems to be a favorite winter tore here and I have a set myself.

Good luck with it!
 


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Escort radar, corded (not wireless) with GPS. And a $500-$600 laser jammer. If your not gonna do the laser jammer, don't bother with the radar. You either have an advantage or you don't. The radar detector will make you drive a little quicker and the escorts are so effective, it will lure you into a false sense of safety.
Once you fully put your trust into the radar, a cop will hit you with a laser you never saw coming, and depending on how many times the escort has saved you, you could be going "go to jail fast".

The escort X50 8500 is awesome, but I'm pretty sure its been updated a couple times now.

I went from Cookville, Tenn to Lakeland, Fl in 8hours and 50minutes. I stopped 5 times for fuel and to walk my boston terriers and still averaged 88mph. The same trip took me nearly 11.5 hours in a caravan, lol.

Had a escort 8500 with a escort ZR laser "shifter". Had a state trooper pull out and come after when I pasted him at 105mph in GA. The entire time it was saying "shifting rear, shifting rear". I got zero warning before he hit me as I went past an overpass, I actually saw him through the passenger window as I past him and stood on the brakes to drop from 105mph to 60mph (in a 65 zone, lol ). When he got to me, he just sat adjacent to me. Then suddenly he put a side bar light on me, and past me really slow. Then suddenly, he TOOK OFF like a mad man. I figured he just didn't want to deal with writing me a ticket at 12:30am. 2 minutes later, I pastes him on the side of the road with a Acura MDX pulled over, so... If he had got me, he def would have at least pulled me over and given me a ticket. But I think the fact he couldn't get a reading on my until I was going less than 5mph BELOW the speed limit forced him to move on ( this is prob where most cops would just lie and say they clocked me at (best guess here) and refuse to show me a radar/laser reading).

After that.... I drove even faster and felt like no cop could get me on speed unless the paced me from behind without me knowing. The system was scary good. The escort picked up radar from super far away, sometimes over a mile away. In my area, I found, our FLA troopers and my local police had zero laser guns. I never got hit with laser locally. So... I sold the laser jammer to help pay for other speed parts.
Went I sold my srt4, I bought a G35 coupe and the escort came with me. About 3 months later I got zero warning from a cop with a laser gun and almost got a ticket for going 42mph in a 30zone. I reseached it and turns out, my local police updated there entire fleet with laser guns. I was forced to pack up my 8500 and not use it because without a laser jammer, your just setting yourself up for a bigger fall when the laser cop hits you when you think you can't be caught. If you buy a cheap laser jammer, samething. Read all the reveiws and don't spend less that $500 on a laser jammer. Since radar is old school stuff for cops, even an old 8500 X50 is still pretty good, but the GPS models will make your daily drive so much better with it NOT going off ever time you pass a walgreens or convenience store ( with radar activated power opening doors ).
 


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So you would offer 17k but 16.5 is a kick in the nuts? Common man I would hope no one is that petty over 500 bucks. Regardless were both talking about starting a little low on purpose.

To the op congrats even if you didn't bargain at all it's still a cool car at a reasonable price. Post picks and let us know your impression [emoji41] .

Havent bought or sold many used cars have you, if you have how many times have you been told to get fucked? People get very pissy about the littlest shit, it pretty amazing 500 can make or break a deal.





I did not haggle. Felt like $18k was fair. Matt was throwing in extras and being straight up with me too. He only wanted to do emails so. To try and save $500 and potentially make him wishy washy didn't seem worth it. So what winter tires should I put on? And how much will they cost? It will be the southern route. If anyone wanted to try the car in person. Might be able to make that happen. Oh, and radar detectors. Which one?
Awesome! Good move. When are you going to get this puppy?

I have used some Blizzaks in the past great tire and still good even when at 1/4 tread which I found amazing. I just picked up some Nexgen snow tires for like 280 all 4 shipped, no idea if they are good or not. Almost got the altimax though
 


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Havent bought or sold many used cars have you, if you have how many times have you been told to get fucked? People get very pissy about the littlest shit, it pretty amazing 500 can make or break a deal.
Whoa man, I can honestly say zero.

Put it this way when I sell anything even on a craigslist, ebay low ball central kind of thing. I never get offended when someone offers me money for something I'm selling. It's worth what someone will pay. It's the nature of the game.

I'll be stubborn and say I won't go that low but never in my life would I tell a person to F-off especially for less then a 10% difference.
 


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Whoa man, I can honestly say zero.

Put it this way when I sell anything even on a craigslist, ebay low ball central kind of thing. I never get offended when someone offers me money for something I'm selling. It's worth what someone will pay. It's the nature of the game.

I'll be stubborn and say I won't go that low but never in my life would I tell a person to F-off especially for less then a 10% difference.
Ive had it happen to me man even when I offered what I thought to be a sensible amount. I have also been opposite side and in the position of wanting to tell someone to F-off. I buy and sell lot online and people are low ballers and snakes alot of the times for whatever reason. I will agree something is only worth what someone is willing to pay but at times you wonder what goes through someones mind when they offer 2-3-4 grand (or 75-50% if its a part for example) below what you are asking when the price you are asking is clearly at market value or far below. Anyways I think we are a close enough page here, wasnt trying to be overly abrasive with you


Anyways to Fiesta_ray I expect to be out and about in the country and in the south none the less. If it works out maybe we can put faces to names. BTW I am stoked you bought this car. I listen to the smoking tire quite a bit so I have heard alot about it and its this exact car that talked me into many of the pieces I have on my car right now (Albeit not cobb pieces but similar parts anyway)
 


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What a shame to see him selling it. He talked that car up so much and he was honestly half of the reason behind why I purchased mine. I'm very eager to see how those Pilot Super Sports are fairing, if you wouldn't mind reporting back on whether they rub or not and how they drive. Matt told me directly when I asked him via mail what tires I should get that he was only having issues with the PSS under a very specific circumstance of going downhill braking hard, and hitting a bump at the bottom of the decline. He said he was running them in 215/45/17 sizing, but I've heard reports that rubs in daily driving.

Maybe they're not too torn up about parting with the first one as Chris Hayes (Co-Host over at TST) now also owns one, except it's fully kitted out with Mountune gear and other things.

Either way, congratulations! It's an incredible little car.
 


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The real shame is that this car hasn't been put on a NON-COBB owned DYNOJET on 91oct and race fuel, lol.
An independent test would be nice for sure. In the videos he claimed 191 HP / 236 TQ at stock; which honestly sounds more like a stage one tune that's a bit low on torque to me, but it sounds plausible. His Stage 3 was 217/287 (Believable enough in my opinion.), and claim 240 / 318 with the 100 octane pro tune. I don't know what other Dyno numbers he claimed. I personally make an estimated 200-207 HP and 280 TQ with Randy's custom stage 1 tune on my car that has nothing but a filter and RMM installed; so basically stock. That's on VirtualDyno; which is typically stated to be within 3%-4% of true Dyno numbers.

Has Matt claimed higher numbers somewhere else outside of the videos? His results seems pretty average to me.
 


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Matt didn't really claim anything... He was simply reporting the findings of cobb on Cobb's dyno that sells Cobb products. I mean real dyno's though. I use V-dyno as much as anyone. But the pretty clear facts are pretty much out there now, that almost no one breaks 200whp without a protune on a well calibrated dyno. I've personally see people on the dyno with pro-tunes on 93oct make less than 200whp and that's pretty much the norm, no shame in that. The 242whp? on oxygenated race gas was sort of half accepted because it was on $17 PER GALLON fuel. But honestly, that seems pretty high to me as well.

Only one way to really find out though...
 


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i'm all for independent research as someone who lives and dies by" datalogs or GTFO". I don't typically trust vendor dynos and would prefer an independent test as well, as it removes bias from the equation. As someone who does QA for a living; it's an important detail to me.

But with a claimed 240 whp and accounting for a 4% margin of error (Standard deviations reported when using vDyno everywhere I read about it, he would still make just about 230 WHP. I feel like a lot of people get varied results from ProTunes. Just because someone is certified by Cobb to do a ProTune does not mean they are necessarily any good at it or followed whatever training/documentation they provide, either. His was tuned by Cobb and they don't exactly do poorly like some independent tunes I have seen; so it has a chance in my mind of being in that ballpark. Trust but verify, though!
 


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Welcome and congratulations on your purchase. You need to charge people admission to look at your data once you have this car dyno'd, that would pay for the dyno time! Lots of curiosity here… The car you were buying is the one that inspired a lot of people to buy and then upgrade their car, so it is natural that people would want to compare.
 




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