Keep your intake clean! Ford Fiesta ST Oil Catch Can R&D by Mishimoto

[D1JL]

Can they tell if it's a Gallo 12 or 24? Lol. A little Fast and Furious humor.

Yes they can. LOL

They now have notebooks with under hood photos of STOCK cars.
If your car does not compare to the photos you may be written up.



Dave

 

[CanadianGuy]

Wow this looks like a really nice piece, too bad the catch can basically sits where my 2j intake is. Looks like I'm going diy on this one.

That was only their test setup. The last line of the post indicates they are moving the solution tot he front.

Our engineers are working on a new bracket which will move the Fiesta ST catch can closer to the front of the engine bay, making it easier to both access and show off. Another benefit of the new location? It will work with right hand drive models as well. We want to accommodate our friends across the pond! Stay tuned for more updates to come and in the meantime you can check out our engineering blog by clicking the link.

Thank you for reading!
-Sara

 

[mishimoto1]

yes!! Im in... I need one asap!

Patiently waiting

Looks nice . It's nice to have a few options with OCC.

Looking forward to SOMEONE making a catch can!

Yep, just take my money!

Comming along nicely i see

Gimme!

Were excited about this too, hopefully you wont be waiting much longer! Stay tuned for more posts coming next week about further development of the catch can itself and final placement!
Thanks!
-Sara

 

[mishimoto1]

Wow this looks like a really nice piece, too bad the catch can basically sits where my 2j intake is. Looks like I'm going diy on this one.

Thanks for a very nice product though Mishimoto.

That was only their test setup. The last line of the post indicates they are moving the solution tot he front.

Putting it closer to the front, also clears the way for guys with the 2J race intake

Sorry if that post was misleading! This was just our prototype bracket to hold two catch cans for the first tests in order to determine which side (PCV or CCV or both) was worth making a catch can setup for. The final bracket that will come in our catch can kit moves the can to the front of the engine bay rather than the back to free up space back there. Stay tuned there will be an additional post with more details coming shortly!

[MENTION=1848]mishimoto[/MENTION] well I plan on keeping the FiST for many many many years. If you are offering a dual bracket that we can buy 2 setups one for PCV and one for CVV and the kits is the same OCC for both but the hose length needs to be cut to fit I would most definitely buy both. 2 is better than 1.

Based on your data that is my next purchase. So hurry up and take my money!

As of now, only the single can setup will be headed to production. This will not rule out making an additional can for the CCV side if our data shows a need for one in the future. We didn't want to waste any time getting a catch can to you guys because we know how important they can be for engine protection!
-Sara

 

[mishimoto1]

I do have questions.
I do understand the need for a catch can system, of that there no debate.
However I am in California and a catch can is legal to add as long as the PCV system is not altered.

I cannot tell by your photos if the PCV system is altered.
I am not disputing if your system works or not as I am sure that it will.

If you do alter the PCV system will you get your Catch can system CARB approved?



Dave

Great questions

Dave, I'm not familiar with CA, but me thinks as long as the system remains "closed loop" and nothing vented to atmosphere, it's entirely legal. 'Course I'm probably wrong.

Closed system yes.
However our local LEOs in an effort to stop street racing like to do spot checks.
If you are stopped, in some cases they ask you to open your hood.
If things don't look 100% stock, they like to write you for "Suspicion of Emissions Tampering".



Dave

Can they tell if it's a Gallo 12 or 24? Lol. A little Fast and Furious humor.

Yes they can. LOL

They now have notebooks with under hood photos of STOCK cars.
If your car does not compare to the photos you may be written up.



Dave

Great questions Dave! You guys are right that the PCV remains a closed loop even with our can added. The can is aftermarket so if someone were to look under the hood it wont match a stock picture so this is a tough one. We retained the stock PCV and tapped into it without altering the system, BUT we cant guarantee that it will be considered CARB legal. If we get any new information on this I will make sure to let you know. But on another note who doesn't love a good fast and furious quote!
-Sara

 

[TheStig]

Closed system yes.
However our local LEOs in an effort to stop street racing like to do spot checks.
If you are stopped, in some cases they ask you to open your hood.
If things don't look 100% stock, they like to write you for "Suspicion of Emissions Tampering".



Dave

Makes me so happy I live in your neighbor to the South East, I could not take CARB emissions in California. My friend got a HUGE fine for taking his (street legal) ATV out one day around San Bernadino and a cop stopped him, took a sample of his fuel and busted him for running leaded race gas. I understand that fuel is "offroad" only, but the cops have that much time to stop and take a fuel sample, seriously.

Glad my quad isnt scrutinized as such, VP110 smells to pretty.

Also i can register my car at my parents house which is outside of the city and never have to go through smog

 

[ManOnFire]

I'm currently using the small Mishimoto catch can that is pictured in the OP. Changed my oil today and emptied the can. Got a little more than 1oz of oil after 6,000 miles on this oil change. In the past it's been around the same amount.

 

[kjohn09e]

I'm still waiting on that gold intercooler announcement...But thats just me.

 

[BRGT350]

Very interested in this product when it becomes available. I really should get one for my Mustang, and another for our EcoBoost Escape. Too bad there isn't a buy 2 get the 3rd for free

Nice to see testing checking which side is more beneficial for the catch can.

 

[Ken34]

looking forward to this. my only question is if it would effect the manufacturer warranty.

 

[BRGT350]

looking forward to this. my only question is if it would effect the manufacturer warranty.

As with any aftermarket part, it would need to cause a failure in order to affect warranty. I do worry that some of the descalant style catch cans could cause problems if you have an engine failure and there are pieces of descalant in the engine. I worked on doing some warranty evaluation on pneumatic systems for semi-trucks and learned that descalant particles from the air dryers were entering the air system. It isn't too much of a stretch to think that installing one of them on your car could result in particles getting sucked into the engine since the ventilation system is a closed loop. What Mishimoto is working on is a baffled system instead of a descalant version.

 

[mishimoto1]

I'm currently using the small Mishimoto catch can that is pictured in the OP. Changed my oil today and emptied the can. Got a little more than 1oz of oil after 6,000 miles on this oil change. In the past it's been around the same amount.

Wow, seems to be working nicely! We don't have quite that many miles on our development vehicle (as we've only had it for a couple of weeks) but from the looks of the contents in our catch can we are on track to see results similar to yours. We really do appreciate you sharing your results with us, it is an integral part of our development process in creating truly great products. Once we put some more miles on our FiST, we should have some results for you guys to check out too!
Thanks!
-Sara

 

[mishimoto1]

I'm still waiting on that gold intercooler announcement...But thats just me.

We just announced that even more of our intercoolers are available in gold, so there is a good chance you will see this one in gold as well! Stay tuned!

Very interested in this product when it becomes available. I really should get one for my Mustang, and another for our EcoBoost Escape. Too bad there isn't a buy 2 get the 3rd for free

Nice to see testing checking which side is more beneficial for the catch can.

Thank you for the kind words! Rather than just guess, we like to have some concrete evidence behind our decision to create a product. That way we know for certain that the product is going to help you guys and your cars!
-Sara

 

[westcoaST]

As with any aftermarket part, it would need to cause a failure in order to affect warranty. I do worry that some of the descalant style catch cans could cause problems if you have an engine failure and there are pieces of descalant in the engine. I worked on doing some warranty evaluation on pneumatic systems for semi-trucks and learned that descalant particles from the air dryers were entering the air system. It isn't too much of a stretch to think that installing one of them on your car could result in particles getting sucked into the engine since the ventilation system is a closed loop. What Mishimoto is working on is a baffled system instead of a descalant version.

You mean desiccant? not descalant, right?

 

[BoostBumps]

[MENTION=1848]mishimoto[/MENTION]

I like where your going with this setup and appears as if you have the inlet and outlet port sizes properly matched in ID to the OE PCV line...

And I know this is a prototype pic (below) but I am a bit concerned with one of the hoses seen in this pic below (far left red hose) making contact with the hardline and appears to pinched and resting on the coolant reservoir....With some vibration over time my fear is either the hose will wear a hole in it or the hard line may get damaged...

Just an observation...I know this is not the final product but would be nice to see this resolved before released assuming you haven't done so already...

Just trying to be helpful...I'm planning on purchasing this kit after release...

 

[mishimoto1]

looking forward to this. my only question is if it would effect the manufacturer warranty.

As with any aftermarket part, it would need to cause a failure in order to affect warranty. I do worry that some of the descalant style catch cans could cause problems if you have an engine failure and there are pieces of descalant in the engine. I worked on doing some warranty evaluation on pneumatic systems for semi-trucks and learned that descalant particles from the air dryers were entering the air system. It isn't too much of a stretch to think that installing one of them on your car could result in particles getting sucked into the engine since the ventilation system is a closed loop. What Mishimoto is working on is a baffled system instead of a descalant version.

The catch can shouldn't void your warranty as it will not cause any engine failure if used properly. Our can is baffled to keep oil and other debris in the can and if emptied regularly it should not cause any damage to the engine. Of course we can't be absolutely positive that it wont void the warranty, I would suggest reading the fine print in your warranty agreement to be 100 percent certain if you are concerned about it. However if it is just a question of whether or not the catch can will harm your engine we think its pretty much the opposite. Running a catch can allows it to trap oil and debris before it can go back into your intake and possibly harm the motor over time.
-Sara

 

[mishimoto1]

[MENTION=1848]mishimoto[/MENTION]

I like where your going with this setup and appears as if you have the inlet and outlet port sizes properly matched in ID to the OE PCV line...

And I know this is a prototype pic (below) but I am a bit concerned with one of the hoses seen in this pic below (far left red hose) making contact with the hardline and appears to pinched and resting on the coolant reservoir....With some vibration over time my fear is either the hose will wear a hole in it or the hard line may get damaged...

Just an observation...I know this is not the final product but would be nice to see this resolved before released assuming you haven't done so already...

Just trying to be helpful...I'm planning on purchasing this kit after release...

That is a good observation! We posted the picture you have above to show the bracket setup, but it is unclear when it comes to the hoses. Although the hardline is resting on the PCV hose it is not restricting it, I added another pic that shows the hose contact a little better.

You raise a valid concern though and it would be something to look into if we were planning on leaving the bracket in this location permanently. The good news is that we plan to move the PCV can to the front of the engine bay to allow for more clearance for RHD cars and some aftermarket intakes. There will be another post on this later in the week with more information on the final location for you guys to check out.
Thanks very much for your feedback!
-Sara

 

[BoostBumps]

That is a good observation! We posted the picture you have above to show the bracket setup, but it is unclear when it comes to the hoses. Although the hardline is resting on the PCV hose it is not restricting it, I added another pic that shows the hose contact a little better.

You raise a valid concern though and it would be something to look into if we were planning on leaving the bracket in this location permanently. The good news is that we plan to move the PCV can to the front of the engine bay to allow for more clearance for RHD cars and some aftermarket intakes. There will be another post on this later in the week with more information on the final location for you guys to check out.
Thanks very much for your feedback!
-Sara

thanks for looking into this Sara!

Just from past experience having had this occur on other vehicles where a hose line ended up making contact with other surfaces only to end up wearing a hole in the hose over time due to either engine or road vibrations...

I do like your setup quite a bit and glad to hear Mishimoto is planning on relocating the PCV OCC to a new location which should resolve any clearance issues and also make it much easier to access the OCC for periodic draining....

 

[westcoaST]

Heres what I plumbed in this weekend along with my 2J Racing intake. I had my mishimoto can where you were putting yours, but had to move it to install the 2JR intake. I used a copper return to avoid kinking any hoses, and mounted the Mishi OCC where the air box used to be. I need to make one more bracket and I'm finished. Your baffled can works great.

 

[mishimoto1]

Heres what I plumbed in this weekend along with my 2J Racing intake. I had my mishimoto can where you were putting yours, but had to move it to install the 2JR intake. I used a copper return to avoid kinking any hoses, and mounted the Mishi OCC where the air box used to be. I need to make one more bracket and I'm finished. Your baffled can works great.

Thanks for the kind words and great thinking on relocating the can!
-Sara