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Code P219A Fix

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Hi friends,

I had code P219a on my ST that I could not solve. It would come on after fill up, I kept thinking it was that poorly designed capless fuel system (come on, Ford!) I read many forums, watched YouTube etc etc with no clear fix. Here is what I did to fix it, I hope it can help someone else.

*PLEASE NOTE* I work in a shop and have access to professional tools, etc etc if you are not comfortable working on your own car, please consult a professional!

1. Scan code-assess fuel trim
-long term fuel trim was taking away fuel, therefore there was an unmetered fuel source

2. likely culprits were unmetered fuel vapours through EVAP fuel system, but this would (should) come up as a separate code. Could be the purge valve, so I replaced it anyway to rule it out, but of course it did not fix it.
-had to rule out any potential vacuum leaks, I had plumbed my own oil separator in, so I changed everything back to factory to elimate any issues from that. Of course that wasn’t the issue

3. Through process of elimination, the last remaining piece of the puzzle would be the factory PCV/oil separator located under the intake manifold. This job is fairly involved, requires the removal of the intake and starter to get access to this little plastic piece. I cleaned the intake manifold in the solvent take to remove any oil.
-upon removal of intake manifold, it became obvious there was excessive carbon build up on the valves. With the valves closed, I used a carbon remover (you can buy a can at auto supplies stores) and scraped the valves cleaned. You must remove this solution before reassembly!!! Also, do not forget to replace the intake manifold gasket upon reassembly.

4. Final diagnosis: PCV system fail.

I hope this able to help someone else save time and money.
 


Marcalewis

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Hi friends,

I had code P219a on my ST that I could not solve. It would come on after fill up, I kept thinking it was that poorly designed capless fuel system (come on, Ford!) I read many forums, watched YouTube etc etc with no clear fix. Here is what I did to fix it, I hope it can help someone else.

*PLEASE NOTE* I work in a shop and have access to professional tools, etc etc if you are not comfortable working on your own car, please consult a professional!

1. Scan code-assess fuel trim
-long term fuel trim was taking away fuel, therefore there was an unmetered fuel source

2. likely culprits were unmetered fuel vapours through EVAP fuel system, but this would (should) come up as a separate code. Could be the purge valve, so I replaced it anyway to rule it out, but of course it did not fix it.
-had to rule out any potential vacuum leaks, I had plumbed my own oil separator in, so I changed everything back to factory to elimate any issues from that. Of course that wasn’t the issue

3. Through process of elimination, the last remaining piece of the puzzle would be the factory PCV/oil separator located under the intake manifold. This job is fairly involved, requires the removal of the intake and starter to get access to this little plastic piece. I cleaned the intake manifold in the solvent take to remove any oil.
-upon removal of intake manifold, it became obvious there was excessive carbon build up on the valves. With the valves closed, I used a carbon remover (you can buy a can at auto supplies stores) and scraped the valves cleaned. You must remove this solution before reassembly!!! Also, do not forget to replace the intake manifold gasket upon reassembly.

4. Final diagnosis: PCV system fail.

I hope this able to help someone else save time and money.
Hi. So, cleaning your PCV valve/system solved your issue? We have a 17 FiST with 50something k miles, and getting the p219a code. I just tried the purge valve replacement, but didn't help.
 


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Or just run a Aux fuel system of your choice or Meth injection. Valve cleaning issue solved. [driving]
 


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Hi. So, cleaning your PCV valve/system solved your issue? We have a 17 FiST with 50something k miles, and getting the p219a code. I just tried the purge valve replacement, but didn't help.
I should have updated this thread, my apologies. I chased this issue for a long time.
The fix was the precat 02 sensor. About $160 fix.
 


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This exact code plagued me for a few days, so I figured I would start with very general solutions first since I take very good care of it.

The biggest clue was that the CEL illuminated when it was abnormally cold outside, so I factored that in first.

I went ahead and used my scan tool as soon as I arrived home that night: P219A, and only P219A showed up.

The scan tool I purchased also has an app. The app suggested I may need to either replace the canister purge valve or the upstream oxygen sensor. Clues and more clues...

I just replaced the canister purge valve this past summer, so I was fairly certain that wasn't the issue... plus, my engine wasn't on the verge of stalling right after refueling.

I ruled out the oxygen sensor since nothing abnormal was coming out of the tailpipe - not burning oil or coolant.

This left me with a few possibilities... bad MAF? Vacuum leak? exhaust leak? Definitely not an exhaust leak since it's super easy to tell since it has been below freezing for the past week or so...

wait a minute... I just said freezing... water freezes... water/ice in the fuel system perhaps?

Fuel delivery issue?

Bingo! That was the issue!

My CEL went off on its own just tonight! I had added 12 ounces of heet fuel system de-icer yesterday.

I'm by no means a professional mechanic, but I'd imagine it's sort of like being a detective? Lol
 


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This exact code plagued me for a few days, so I figured I would start with very general solutions first since I take very good care of it.

The biggest clue was that the CEL illuminated when it was abnormally cold outside, so I factored that in first.

I went ahead and used my scan tool as soon as I arrived home that night: P219A, and only P219A showed up.

The scan tool I purchased also has an app. The app suggested I may need to either replace the canister purge valve or the upstream oxygen sensor. Clues and more clues...

I just replaced the canister purge valve this past summer, so I was fairly certain that wasn't the issue... plus, my engine wasn't on the verge of stalling right after refueling.

I ruled out the oxygen sensor since nothing abnormal was coming out of the tailpipe - not burning oil or coolant.

This left me with a few possibilities... bad MAF? Vacuum leak? exhaust leak? Definitely not an exhaust leak since it's super easy to tell since it has been below freezing for the past week or so...

wait a minute... I just said freezing... water freezes... water/ice in the fuel system perhaps?

Fuel delivery issue?

Bingo! That was the issue!

My CEL went off on its own just tonight! I had added 12 ounces of heet fuel system de-icer yesterday.

I'm by no means a professional mechanic, but I'd imagine it's sort of like being a detective? Lol
This is exactly what i love to see! The problem listed and the Fix! Please people, don't start a thread to not complete or close it out with the fix or the answer and leave others wondering! Good job Sprinkle! [driving]
 




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