Cobb Stg 1 Dissapointment...

[re-rx7]

Not sure on the stage 2 but I saw quite a bit in the evening run with ambient temps in the 60's.

 

[Oscar Sanchez]

I ran stage 3 tune for like 3 months with no issues no timing getting pulled. I just have an DP and custom intake. Saw boost peak to 24-25. I went back to stage 1 don't know why. Don't want to destroy the car.

 

[airjor13]

The most I have seen with Stage 3 OTS with stock I/C was 25 above ambient, 2-3 hard 3rd 4th gear pulls, 75 degrees, 6* Advance, then pull 1.5*, 24 peak boost.

 

[Oscar Sanchez]

Exactly that's what happens whe u do that. U can get away with one pull or 2 but it will pull timing sometime. Ambient in PR today was 98. Just cruising around I was at 105 charge one pull later I was at 110. And it was going to keep getting worse. That's on stage 1 but bet it would be the same on stage 3. Now the real question I can think of is. Can a IC get lower temps than ambient? I reaaally doubt it but am no expert. Even at ambient it's very high

 

[re-rx7]

I ran stage 3 tune for like 3 months with no issues no timing getting pulled. I just have an DP and custom intake. Saw boost peak to 24-25. I went back to stage 1 don't know why. Don't want to destroy the car.

The car can handle it as long as nothing is way out of wack. Im seeing 20-21 psi and 12 degree advance on cool nights.

 

[Oscar Sanchez]

U said it cool nights. And I doubt ots tunes let u go that high on timing advance imo

 

[re-rx7]

Exactly that's what happens whe u do that. U can get away with one pull or 2 but it will pull timing sometime. Ambient in PR today was 98. Just cruising around I was at 105 charge one pull later I was at 110. And it was going to keep getting worse. That's on stage 1 but bet it would be the same on stage 3. Now the real question I can think of is. Can a IC get lower temps than ambient? I reaaally doubt it but am no expert. Even at ambient it's very high

No unless the rules of physics has changed? LOL jk. In your climate a bigger IC is absolutely required IMO.

 

[re-rx7]

The most I have seen with Stage 3 OTS with stock I/C was 25 above ambient, 2-3 hard 3rd 4th gear pulls, 75 degrees, 6* Advance, then pull 1.5*, 24 peak boost.

Thanks for posting your info. Curious where are you logging your timing? Cyl 1?

 

[airjor13]

Thanks for posting your info. Curious where are you logging your timing? Cyl 1?

Yes cyl 1

 

[re-rx7]

Yes cyl 1

Thats really weird. Im logging Cyl timing and i saw 10-12 degrees timing advance. I had 93 in the tank with the stage 2 91 map.

 

[Oscar Sanchez]

That's at night but it's ok ic and meth is on the way

 

[94Gt5.0]

Exactly that's what happens whe u do that. U can get away with one pull or 2 but it will pull timing sometime. Ambient in PR today was 98. Just cruising around I was at 105 charge one pull later I was at 110. And it was going to keep getting worse. That's on stage 1 but bet it would be the same on stage 3. Now the real question I can think of is. Can a IC get lower temps than ambient? I reaaally doubt it but am no expert. Even at ambient it's very high

You can get them cooler than ambient with an intercooler sprayer.. but that's about it.

 

[re-rx7]

I will take a vid tonight.

 

[C. love]

whats the consensus here? stage 2 tune is best for the street? Id like a bit more power but dont intend on doing much besides the intake I already have.

 

[re-rx7]

Stage 2 shouldnt be a problem as long as the ambient temps are cool. Say 80 or less.

 

[BlueBomber]

just buy a better FMIC already jesus

idk where you get it from and you dont even need chargepipes man but for the love of your motor upgrade your fmic
The OEM one is shit, and that's really about all she wrote

mishimoto j-line, cx racing, forge, levels, cobb idk who just please upgrade your fmic if you live somewhere hot.
Your car will thank you so much for it
Two weeks ago we had a record heatwave and several socal guys overheated

I have a FMIC and it got hot as **** where i was and I got stuck in traffic and ran the AC hard and motor stayed cool with happy charge temps

gonna rig up a cheapie intercooler sprayer setup too, a drag race shop nearby sells a kit for it hella cheap so I can do an intercooler sprayer for cheap without doing it the ghetto way (and disabling my washer sprayers - yeah... i like those, so no) by using either the car's OEM washer bottle or a junkyard washer bottle - so i'll have a inexpensive setup built with quality components that wont look ghetto/jerry-rigged. I figure I have a new car, I don't need my new car looking like a 24-hours-of-LeMons reject (yes Lemons like the fruit)

 

[re-rx7]

just buy a better FMIC already jesus

idk where you get it from and you dont even need chargepipes man but for the love of your motor upgrade your fmic
The OEM one is shit, and that's really about all she wrote

mishimoto j-line, cx racing, forge, levels, cobb idk who just please upgrade your fmic if you live somewhere hot.
Your car will thank you so much for it
Two weeks ago we had a record heatwave and several socal guys overheated

I have a FMIC and it got hot as **** where i was and I got stuck in traffic and ran the AC hard and motor stayed cool with happy charge temps

gonna rig up a cheapie intercooler sprayer setup too, a drag race shop nearby sells a kit for it hella cheap so I can do an intercooler sprayer for cheap without doing it the ghetto way (and disabling my washer sprayers - yeah... i like those, so no) by using either the car's OEM washer bottle or a junkyard washer bottle - so i'll have a inexpensive setup built with quality components that wont look ghetto/jerry-rigged. I figure I have a new car, I don't need my new car looking like a 24-hours-of-LeMons reject (yes Lemons like the fruit)

A heat wave in California?! Bwhaha listen man I'm not seeing much more diff charge temps then you guys even on stage 2. I don't live in a city and most of my driving is on the highway. Believe it or not I've built a lot more temperamental engines then the fiesta(see sig).
I don't see why temps being hot in stop and go driving are a big deal because I don't race in stop and go traffic and I don't live anywhere near stop and go traffic.

 

[dyn085]

I don't see why this is so difficult. If someone is asking about running Stage 2 over Stage 1 without the supporting mods, then that means they have an AP3. If they have the AP3 then they have data-logging capabilities. If they have data-logging capabilities then they have the ability to analyze data that is applicable to them, their car, and their environment. Nobody wants the liability of saying 'yeah, run any map you want on a stock car-it's perfectly ok' and Cobb didn't design the maps to be used that way.

If you run a map that is designed on supporting modifications that you don't have, you're taking a risk-it's that simple. Someone that only goes WOT occasionally on their daily drive is taking less risk than someone that takes it to the track, so your choice should be dependent on just how risk-averse you are/aren't. Collect the data in situations that are applicable to you, analyze it, then make your own decision.

It's pretty much fact that the OEM IC is crap for any extended-use of WOT. IC temps are also directly linked to coolant temps. This relationship means that the more heat you introduce to the system (through the use of a more aggressive map) that the IC/radiator can't shed, the sooner you run the risk of over-heating your engine. Will it happen? Maybe and maybe not, dependent on your overall situation. Can it happen? Absolutely.

Don't expect others to tell you that it's ok when you have all of the tools at your disposal to find the answer that is directly applicable to you, your car, your environment, and your driving needs.

 

[C. love]

actually my question was asked to help me decide on whether or not to get a AP. My fiesta is just my "lowly" daily I have other cars to waste money on. I just want a daily that isnt boring.

considering stage two is what a FMIC, intake and cat back. I think running a stage two wont hurt a thing.

I did end up getting an AP and will be able to find out all these little questions for myself. In addition It wont be more than 60 degrees here for the next 6 months, so i have plenty of time to figure out what i wanna do and what tunes x,y and z will do

EDIT:
just found a mishimoto black on the ebay for 150 shipped. Boom IC problem solved

 

[re-rx7]

I don't see why this is so difficult. If someone is asking about running Stage 2 over Stage 1 without the supporting mods, then that means they have an AP3. If they have the AP3 then they have data-logging capabilities. If they have data-logging capabilities then they have the ability to analyze data that is applicable to them, their car, and their environment. Nobody wants the liability of saying 'yeah, run any map you want on a stock car-it's perfectly ok' and Cobb didn't design the maps to be used that way.

If you run a map that is designed on supporting modifications that you don't have, you're taking a risk-it's that simple. Someone that only goes WOT occasionally on their daily drive is taking less risk than someone that takes it to the track, so your choice should be dependent on just how risk-averse you are/aren't. Collect the data in situations that are applicable to you, analyze it, then make your own decision.

It's pretty much fact that the OEM IC is crap for any extended-use of WOT. IC temps are also directly linked to coolant temps. This relationship means that the more heat you introduce to the system (through the use of a more aggressive map) that the IC/radiator can't shed, the sooner you run the risk of over-heating your engine. Will it happen? Maybe and maybe not, dependent on your overall situation. Can it happen? Absolutely.

Don't expect others to tell you that it's ok when you have all of the tools at your disposal to find the answer that is directly applicable to you, your car, your environment, and your driving needs.

excellent post.