Beat The Heat! Mishimoto Intercooler R&D!

[Erik Hughes]

Hey question for you guys, I want to buy this cooler while its on pre sale. The only issue that I have is I don't have a Cobb ap to tune. I cannot afford both at the time. If I find someone else that has the ap can I use there's to flash my car to stage 2?

 

[J2FoRS]

Hey question for you guys, I want to buy this cooler while its on pre sale. The only issue that I have is I don't have a Cobb ap to tune. I cannot afford both at the time. If I find someone else that has the ap can I use there's to flash my car to stage 2?

No it can only work on one car at a time. The AP becomes "married" to the vehicle with an active tune. The only way to "unmarry" is if the other person Uninstalled their own tune. You'd then be able to download a tune but then the AP would be married to your vehicle. And you'd be in the same reverse situation. Long story short. AP is vehicle specific once installed. One user.

 

[mishimoto1]

When will final data be available? Seems weird throwing money at something that hasn't been tested. Hopefully you provide this before the pre sale ends.

Also, I tried to look but can't see it anywhere, can you give the dimensions, core volume, frontal area of final product for comparison purposes? The final product looks amazing, and I'm glad you decided to keep the diverters

Their website has the final core dimensions at 28.8" x 4.92" x 2.56" = 362.74 cubic inches of volume.

Waiting on Mishimoto to confirm if these are accurate.

Those are the correct core dimensions, thank you for posting! We appreciate everyone weighing in on this and we had the same train of thought as you were describing. We tested bar and plate coolers because they are much faster to create for testing purposes. The methods in which we conducted testing ensured that the data will still be applicable to the tube-and-fin design. Although we chose a smaller size than the bar and plate design we saved a significant amount of weight by doing this and we felt it made up for the core size.

-Sara

 

[Brura22]

About to dive in on this presale! I can't decide on which color to choose though! I have a molten orange with white tarmac wheels.... fuuuuuu

 

[mishimoto1]

About to dive in on this presale! I can't decide on which color to choose though! I have a molten orange with white tarmac wheels.... fuuuuuu

That is a tough one! I think black would look pretty stealthy if your car already pops. Then again we're big fans of the flashy gold and silver as well!

-Sara

 

[Turbo65]

I'm a little concerned about the quality I read on Instagram a few peeps saying quality was not the best being made in China blah blah. I've had mountune stuff before when I lived in England and there stuff is always top notch so I'm a bit hesitant on which way to go although the cooler design looks great

 

[mishimoto1]

I'm a little concerned about the quality I read on Instagram a few peeps saying quality was not the best being made in China blah blah. I've had mountune stuff before when I lived in England and there stuff is always top notch so I'm a bit hesitant on which way to go although the cooler design looks great

Hi Turbo,

Mishimoto is a global provider with offices in Delaware, Los Angeles, Shanghai China, and Birmingham United Kingdom. All products are designed, engineered, and tested in New Castle, Delaware at our corporate headquarters using state of the art machinery (CMM arms, AWD Dyno, Rapid Prototyping, etc.). The manufacturing location depends on the product we are manufacturing. For example, all of our intercooler pipes for diesel trucks are made in Los Angeles. Our stamped aluminum brackets come from Texas. This Intercooler is in fact made in China, under strict control of our American operated Shanghai branch. We try to make as many parts in the States as possible, where feasible. With that said, much like Samsung or Apple (or the majority of the parts on your car), it comes down to the engineering behind the part and the quality control of the manufacturing. With a lifetime warranty on every part we manufacture, it is safe to say our parts are of the highest quality.

-Sara

 

[Turbo65]

Hi Turbo,

Mishimoto is a global provider with offices in Delaware, Los Angeles, Shanghai China, and Birmingham United Kingdom. All products are designed, engineered, and tested in New Castle, Delaware at our corporate headquarters using state of the art machinery (CMM arms, AWD Dyno, Rapid Prototyping, etc.). The manufacturing location depends on the product we are manufacturing. For example, all of our intercooler pipes for diesel trucks are made in Los Angeles. Our stamped aluminum brackets come from Texas. This Intercooler is in fact made in China, under strict control of our American operated Shanghai branch. We try to make as many parts in the States as possible, where feasible. With that said, much like Samsung or Apple (or the majority of the parts on your car), it comes down to the engineering behind the part and the quality control of the manufacturing. With a lifetime warranty on every part we manufacture, it is safe to say our parts are of the highest quality.

-Sara

Fair enough I will be putting in my order and can't wait

 

[Brura22]

Is there a possibility they will ship before the estimated date?

 

[mishimoto1]

Fair enough I will be putting in my order and can't wait

Thanks for your order!

Is there a possibility they will ship before the estimated date?

Of course there is a possibility that they will come in before they are expected, however I would plan on the date listed just to be safe. Either way, I will keep you updated if the date moves at all.

-Sara

 

[Turbo65]

Ordered can't wait to put it on

 

[myfiSTurface]

I may have to!! I assume it still fits a 2016? and do you offer piping kits? if not I assume since stock piping works companies such as cobb and what not will? Thank you!

 

[SQFiST]

Hope i can sell some car audio from my old car to pre order one before the 10th

 

[mishimoto1]

Ordered can't wait to put it on

Thanks for your order!

I may have to!! I assume it still fits a 2016? and do you offer piping kits? if not I assume since stock piping works companies such as cobb and what not will? Thank you!

We have not had a chance to test fit this intercooler on any 2016 models, but to our knowledge nothing has changed between those years that would cause it to not fit. Yes this will fit with stock piping, as well as the Mishimoto pipe kit. For reference, you can check out the Mishimoto pipe kit HERE.

Let me know if you have any questions!

Hope i can sell some car audio from my old car to pre order one before the 10th

Occasionally, pre-sales will extend past their estimated ship date, so your best bet is to check the website (and here) often when the ship date is near for shipping information.

-Sara

 

[LilPartyBox]

My only concern is the 11th hour switch to tube/fin while testing with bar/plate. Not only was the fin design changed but the thickness was reduced from 3" to 2.5" for the final product. You say the data points would be pretty much the same for the two designs but i personally would prefer to see the final design tested. To say we should buy the final product based on a different prototype sounds a bit hokey to me. A transparent R&D process becomes opaque in the end?...

I went back to pages 7 and 10 for the plots. In round two's testing you only ran B/P designs. The temperature drops from B/P 3, your final choice, were close to the earlier T/F plot from the 1st round. For whatever reason you chose not to overlay temp plots but when i looked at them side by side, B/P 3 and the T/F were close enough through most of the curve. Where i take issue is the pressure drop plots. The earlier T/F prototype you overlaid into round 2 shows a much larger pressure drop than the B/P 3 design you settled on.

Are you expecting the inferior flow of the T/F prototype to become the superior flow of the B/P 3 unit by giving it the B/P 3 fin design? Also, what will the eventual pressure drop actually be? As a customer and a layman in IC design, how am I to reconcile this? The T/F fin design in round 1 performed very similar in the temp plot when compared to a final fin design in the B/P 3 prototype. Would an identical fin design behave differently between a bar vs tube? They must or we wouldn't be debating the merits of two different design choices and you wouldn't be testing it. I don't think it's asking too much to see for ourselves the exact effects the final design's flow characteristics have on temperatures and pressure drops.

You're a reputable company and i don't doubt that. But further consideration must be made to the fact you never shared the prototype and test of the EXACT final design. It's like you've said, "Here's an R&D carrot on a string fellas...follow, follow, follow....and now here's an orange. Thanks for playing. What? It's the same color. Now buy it." I'm exaggerating but do you see my point?

I agree your switch to T/F was a wise one. More air flow to the radiator and less weight while maintaining the performance of the B/P design is incredible...just haven't seen the plots yet.

 

[J2FoRS]

My only concern is the 11th hour switch to tube/fin while testing with bar/plate. Not only was the fin design changed but the thickness was reduced from 3" to 2.5" for the final product. You say the data points would be pretty much the same for the two designs but i personally would prefer to see the final design tested. To say we should buy the final product based on a different prototype sounds a bit hokey to me. A transparent R&D process becomes opaque in the end?...

I went back to pages 7 and 10 for the plots. In round two's testing you only ran B/P designs. The temperature drops from B/P 3, your final choice, were close to the earlier T/F plot from the 1st round. For whatever reason you chose not to overlay temp plots but when i looked at them side by side, B/P 3 and the T/F were close enough through most of the curve. Where i take issue is the pressure drop plots. The earlier T/F prototype you overlaid into round 2 shows a much larger pressure drop than the B/P 3 design you settled on.

Are you expecting the inferior flow of the T/F prototype to become the superior flow of the B/P 3 unit by giving it the B/P 3 fin design? Also, what will the eventual pressure drop actually be? As a customer and a layman in IC design, how am I to reconcile this? The T/F fin design in round 1 performed very similar in the temp plot when compared to a final fin design in the B/P 3 prototype. Would an identical fin design behave differently between a bar vs tube? They must or we wouldn't be debating the merits of two different design choices and you wouldn't be testing it. I don't think it's asking too much to see for ourselves the exact effects the final design's flow characteristics have on temperatures and pressure drops.

You're a reputable company and i don't doubt that. But further consideration must be made to the fact you never shared the prototype and test of the EXACT final design. It's like you've said, "Here's an R&D carrot on a string fellas...follow, follow, follow....and now here's an orange. Thanks for playing. What? It's the same color. Now buy it." I'm exaggerating but do you see my point?

I agree your switch to T/F was a wise one. More air flow to the radiator and less weight while maintaining the performance of the B/P design is incredible...just haven't seen the plots yet.

Agreed. I asked if data would come before presale ending to no response. I went a different direction because I wanted to get a bunch of mods done at once. I really wanted to go this route but basically all of what you said made me choose otherwise. Ah well.

 

[mishimoto1]

My only concern is the 11th hour switch to tube/fin while testing with bar/plate. Not only was the fin design changed but the thickness was reduced from 3" to 2.5" for the final product. You say the data points would be pretty much the same for the two designs but i personally would prefer to see the final design tested. To say we should buy the final product based on a different prototype sounds a bit hokey to me. A transparent R&D process becomes opaque in the end?...

I went back to pages 7 and 10 for the plots. In round two's testing you only ran B/P designs. The temperature drops from B/P 3, your final choice, were close to the earlier T/F plot from the 1st round. For whatever reason you chose not to overlay temp plots but when i looked at them side by side, B/P 3 and the T/F were close enough through most of the curve. Where i take issue is the pressure drop plots. The earlier T/F prototype you overlaid into round 2 shows a much larger pressure drop than the B/P 3 design you settled on.

Are you expecting the inferior flow of the T/F prototype to become the superior flow of the B/P 3 unit by giving it the B/P 3 fin design? Also, what will the eventual pressure drop actually be? As a customer and a layman in IC design, how am I to reconcile this? The T/F fin design in round 1 performed very similar in the temp plot when compared to a final fin design in the B/P 3 prototype. Would an identical fin design behave differently between a bar vs tube? They must or we wouldn't be debating the merits of two different design choices and you wouldn't be testing it. I don't think it's asking too much to see for ourselves the exact effects the final design's flow characteristics have on temperatures and pressure drops.

You're a reputable company and i don't doubt that. But further consideration must be made to the fact you never shared the prototype and test of the EXACT final design. It's like you've said, "Here's an R&D carrot on a string fellas...follow, follow, follow....and now here's an orange. Thanks for playing. What? It's the same color. Now buy it." I'm exaggerating but do you see my point?

I agree your switch to T/F was a wise one. More air flow to the radiator and less weight while maintaining the performance of the B/P design is incredible...just haven't seen the plots yet.

Agreed. I asked if data would come before presale ending to no response. I went a different direction because I wanted to get a bunch of mods done at once. I really wanted to go this route but basically all of what you said made me choose otherwise. Ah well.

Hi There,

Apologies for the confusion, we tested both tube/fin as well as bar/plate designs in our original round of testing. It was in our second round of testing that we re-tested some bar/plate designs to determine at what core density the pressure drops were minimal, this data was then applied to our tube/fin design. We did not settle on a bar and plate design in round two, we were using the bar and plate coolers to finalize testing. This testing showed us that by adjusting the internal construction of the core, we could avoid these pressure drops that we saw with the initial tube/fin design to improve our final tube/fin design. It is a bit confusing, but I assure you a great deal of thought and calculations went in to the design of this intercooler. While we understand this isn't ideal we're confident in the design given all our testing and calculations.

Our logic was that, all other variables equal, the tube/fin performed the same as bar/plate. After round 1 of testing, our only concern was pressure drop. In round 2 we addressed this by altering internal core construction but with bar/pate because it was more readily available. Since round 1 showed no difference between tube/fin and bar/plate we applied the results of round 2 of testing to our final tube/fin design.

-Sara

 

[TrickSTer]

We have all enthusiastically followed your R&D processed, your logic in the process has been repeatedly explained to us.
I believe we all have very high respect for Mishimoto and and your line of products.
We are asking for your final product test results, prior to making a decision to purchase. It is quite obvious that there are a number of members in this position.
The fact that you are avoiding the subject, reiterating previous comments, actually raises suspicion that something is not quite right.
In your advertising ( http://www.mishimoto.com/ford-fiesta-st--intercooler-2014.html ), you claim "26°F reduction in AIT". Is that actual (in which case show us the test results), or just something you've extrapolated from your previous tests of "similar" products.
I'm starting to get tired of opening these threads expecting the results you've said are forthcoming.

SHOW US THE MONEY!

 

[mishimoto1]

We have all enthusiastically followed your R&D processed, your logic in the process has been repeatedly explained to us.
I believe we all have very high respect for Mishimoto and and your line of products.
We are asking for your final product test results, prior to making a decision to purchase. It is quite obvious that there are a number of members in this position.
The fact that you are avoiding the subject, reiterating previous comments, actually raises suspicion that something is not quite right.
In your advertising ( http://www.mishimoto.com/ford-fiesta-st--intercooler-2014.html ), you claim "26°F reduction in AIT". Is that actual (in which case show us the test results), or just something you've extrapolated from your previous tests of "similar" products.
I'm starting to get tired of opening these threads expecting the results you've said are forthcoming.

SHOW US THE MONEY!

We appreciate you following our progress here on the forums. Apologies that our attempts at sharing our R&D process have not been clear. The results of all of our testing thus far has been posted to share with you all. The posted data that we shared both here on the forums and our product page were actual results from our second round of testing. We understand that while we are confident in our calculations it would make everyone sleep better to see the tube/fin design undergo the same testing that the bar/plate saw in our last round. This is why we plan to test one of our production units when they are completed in 2-3 weeks and will be sure to share the results with you.

-Sara

 

[SQFiST]

maybe the pre order price should be extended so we can see the results before spending the money. i would love to buy one to go with my intake i pre ordered. may go with your exhaust as well.