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A great new idea for covering track expenses

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I wanted to share something really interesting that one of my brake customers recently brought to me. He is a tech guy/entrepreneur who loves tracking his GT3 and Supra in his spare time. We were test-fitting our latest rear brake package on his Supra, and I took him and his wife out to lunch while my engineering team was doing their thing with his car. He and I were discussing track cars, and I told him about how I sold my last track car, a C6 Vette, a few years back. He asked why I got rid of it, and I told him because I didn’t have time to work on it, nowhere good to store it, I wasn’t using it enough to justify keeping it, etc. I think those of us who have been in this game long enough probably all know that story…kids, wives, other hobbies, etc. all get in the way of playing with our favorite toy. It becomes harder and harder to justify pouring money into something that is generally viewed by everyone around you as a distraction or nuisance.


His first question was, “If you want to get back on the track, why don’t you just rent a track car and do some arrive-and-drive HPDE or endurance racing (Champ Car, Lemons, etc.)?” I explained that I always felt like it was a hassle to find a car, that it was probably too expensive, too complicated or time-consuming to go through the rental process, etc. Then he told me that he had just created an app to do exactly that, which I thought was a killer idea. As we started discussing the concept further, it became clear to me that this could be a really awesome way for current track car owners to subsidize or even completely cover the cost of their own track exploits.

I told him that I loved the idea and that I would share it in the communities in which I participate…so that’s what I’m doing here. The app is called Kerbz and it works similarly to Turo if you’re familiar with that app. You rent track cars directly from the vehicle owner, and the entire transaction is completed through the app. It is set up so you can find cars in your area to use for autoX, HPDE, time trials, W2W, etc. They even have an option by which you can co-drive your car at an event with the renter, so you can cover your own track expenses while also keeping an eye on your car.

If I still had my vette, I would have definitely taken a long, hard look at renting it out. When I initially bought the car I had planned to go to the track at least a dozen weekends per year. During the three years I owned it, I ended up going to the track four times total…doh. The car just sat in my driveway under a cover and collected dust most of the time. I took it out every two weeks for a quick jaunt to run oil through it, but otherwise it was more or less just in the way. I also had some annoying issues with my Accusump, fuel tank, power steering pump, etc. that I was trying to sort out, so it felt like I was constantly running back and forth to the shop and spending money on repairs despite hardly getting any wheel time in the car. Twenty years ago I may have been a little hesitant on renting out my pride and joy, but after owning several track cars, I’ve accepted that track cars are most definitely a depreciating, commodity-type asset. Anything I could have done to pay for fuel, brakes, entry fees, and those damn 345 rear tires would have been extremely welcome!


From a community standpoint, I also really love the idea of sharing cars or co-driving with someone. When I first got into this sport in ‘99, I met my future best man at an autoX, and have made a bunch of other lifelong friends through motorsports. I think this app could be a great community builder that could get a lot more people out on track who don’t have cars, while also helping those who already own cars pay for their addiction.

The founder is in the Northern Virginia/DC area (Summit Point/Dominion Raceway), and most of the current cars for rent are in that area. He said his main goal currently is to add hosts (people willing to rent their car out) near all the road courses throughout the country.

Anyway, I think this app and idea have a ton of merit and I wanted to float them here for all the track junkies. Hopefully some of you can leverage this app to buy yourself some additional track time and/or reduce the burden of owning your car. At the very least I thought the concept would generate some interesting discussion.

Here’s where to download the app, or just search for Kerbz Adventures in the app store: https://kerbz.app/hosts#individual

Thanks and stay safe out there!
 


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I was kind of surprised to find that people rented out their motorcycle.

Curious: If someone borrows your manual transmission vette and fries the clutch, blows the engine and/or wrecks it, how is that situation handled? The amount of damage may well exceed the (very low) caps of a small claims court.
 


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I was kind of surprised to find that people rented out their motorcycle.

Curious: If someone borrows your manual transmission vette and fries the clutch, blows the engine and/or wrecks it, how is that situation handled? The amount of damage may well exceed the (very low) caps of a small claims court.

Insurance is solely up to the host/vehicle owner. They decide if they want insurance, how much coverage they have, etc. I know there are a bunch of track-focused insurance carriers these days like Lockton Motorsports, Hagerty track insurance, On Track Insurance, etc. I would assume any of these coupled with an umbrella policy would pretty much have you covered under just about any circumstance. That said, I'm no insurance expert!

The app's primary goal is to be a match-maker for seats and drivers. It centralizes all potential seats and drivers, presents matches between those seats and drivers at the tracks both sides are interested in frequenting, and then facilitates the rental process without having to leave the app (all payment, etc. handled inside the app).
 


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Open Track underwrites the others and they are the only that offer liability. I couldn’t imagine handing one of my track cars to anyone without lability coverage. I know a group that used to rent cars at the track and got out of it due to profit losses caused by “rental car bashing”. That’s a real thing. Just be extremely careful who you hand the car off too unless it’s insignificant and you have deep pockets for lawsuits. Families often sue on the injured or dead’s behalf. It also needs to be clear that the driver is responsible for all track damage. Track repair is EXTREMELY expensive most places and basic HPDE insurance does not cover it. You must have Open Track’s additional liability policy and it has a high deductible. Definitely research because policy changes happen often.
 


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I was kind of surprised to find that people rented out their motorcycle.

Curious: If someone borrows your manual transmission vette and fries the clutch, blows the engine and/or wrecks it, how is that situation handled? The amount of damage may well exceed the (very low) caps of a small claims court.
i'm not sure about other states, but small claims court cap in CA is $10k, and filing fee is around $200-300 depending on the county
 


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Insurance is solely up to the host/vehicle owner. They decide if they want insurance, how much coverage they have, etc. I know there are a bunch of track-focused insurance carriers these days like Lockton Motorsports, Hagerty track insurance, On Track Insurance, etc. I would assume any of these coupled with an umbrella policy would pretty much have you covered under just about any circumstance. That said, I'm no insurance expert!

The app's primary goal is to be a match-maker for seats and drivers. It centralizes all potential seats and drivers, presents matches between those seats and drivers at the tracks both sides are interested in frequenting, and then facilitates the rental process without having to leave the app (all payment, etc. handled inside the app).
I just found this app last week on instagram. Funny seeing it on here. I reached out asking for more info regarding insurance policy through the app. Do you know how that might work by any chance? or if there is a better way to contact for that vs their instagram

I have already had the idea of offering my fiesta as a track car rental before. I mostly just want my butt covered incase of track damage and etc, like others had mentioned. I would be installing a full cage in my car first, simply because of the potential injury to driver.
 


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I would NEVER allow my car to be driven by someone unknown to me!
I feel the same way about my Mustang.
This type of business is of course risky, and won't be for everyone.

The practice of renting out old racecars is pretty common however. Selling a track car, especially a fiesta is not going to yield any returns. All people need is to upgrade their trailer to a 2 car trailer and they can then take their car and the rented car. This helps offset cost of transportation and etc. Lots of cars lose popularity very fast as race series end or a new more competitive car comes on the market. They're basically bringing this market to the grassroots level
 


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'Arrive and drives' have been commonplace in stage rallying for many years now.

Even more risky yet for those car owners, since there is A LOT more which can go 'sideways' (or upside down, smashed into trees and rocks, etc.) in high speed stage rallying, given the conditions, gravel surface, and NO runoff/gravel pits whatsoever, anywhere.

Hence why they charge such exorbitant rates for their rentals, and require a huge deposit and even require some type of damage insurance as well.

Still a lot less coin than trying to buy a $250K+ R5/Rally 2 car and spares, and campaigning it oneself (with all of the outrageously co$tly consumables, repairs, etc.), just to get the 'experience' of rallying at high speed.
 


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Some folks are able to enjoy things vicariously; part of ones enjoyment can be in sharing an experience. Racers more than many, know there's risk in everything.
 


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