Avg Peak Boost on Stock Turbo - Custom JST Tune

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Hey All,

I'm curious about what peak boost numbers people are seeing who have a similar set up to mine and are tuned by JST. (see details on car below).
Upfront, the car maybe sees 24-24.5 at most in peak boost, during a 4th gear pull. This has been consistent since i got the tune nearly 4 years ago.. and boost never came up as a concern.

Here's the stats:
I'm running a custom JST tune (91 & E30)
Car is 2015, 115k on the clock.
Car basically just has panel filter, intercooler and exhaust(really no power gain here) stock dp, GFB DV+, J-pipe & cooler ngk plugs— for power.


To be clear, I don't care that much about peak boost numbers, more so what i'm getting throughout the curve, HOWEVER...I tried a new flash tune recently from Dizzy and Jason said my peak boost was below (nearly 24 psi or so) what he likes to see closer to 26psi— so I'm curious about maybe a boost leak which another tuner pointed out looking at my recent datalogs. Checked boost hoses and they'are all clamed up nice.
 


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Hey All,

I'm curious about what peak boost numbers people are seeing who have a similar set up to mine and are tuned by JST. (see details on car below).
Upfront, the car maybe sees 24-24.5 at most in peak boost, during a 4th gear pull. This has been consistent since i got the tune nearly 4 years ago.. and boost never came up as a concern.

Here's the stats:
I'm running a custom JST tune (91 & E30)
Car is 2015, 115k on the clock.
Car basically just has panel filter, intercooler and exhaust(really no power gain here) stock dp, cooler ngk plugs— for power.


To be clear, I don't care that much about peak boost numbers, more so what i'm getting throughout the curve, HOWEVER...I tried a new flash tune recently from Dizzy and Jason said my peak boost was below (nearly 24 psi or so) what he likes to see closer to 26psi— so I'm curious about maybe a boost leak which another tuner pointed out looking at my recent datalogs. Checked boost hoses and they'are all clamed up nice.
Can’t speak to JST but I was always 26+ on Dizzy’s stage 2 and E30. You have stock BPV?
 


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Can’t speak to JST but I was always 26+ on Dizzy’s stage 2 and E30. You have stock BPV?
I have that tune as well, and similar peak numbers. I'm running a DV+ which i service every other oil change. I do get the occaional evap code for the cannister, I think it might be time to do a smoke test. My dry compression test came back pretty good, 180+ on all cyls. I'm still on stock boost hoses and they have 115k on them. I'm not loosing boost per se, just not hitting peak. What's funny is Dizzy never mentioned boost being a concern when I dataogged that stage 2 E30 tune.
 


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I have that tune as well, and similar peak numbers. I'm running a DV+ which i service every other oil change. I do get the occaional evap code for the cannister, I think it might be time to do a smoke test. My dry compression test came back pretty good, 180+ on all cyls. I'm still on stock boost hoses and they have 115k on them. I'm not loosing boost per se, just not hitting peak. What's funny is Dizzy never mentioned boost being a concern when I dataogged that stage 2 E30 tune.
I wouldn’t worry much about it then. Keep in mind a smoke test won’t tell you anything about boost leaks unless it’s egregious since they’re typically at a very low pressure. I use a boost leak testing plug on the compressor outlet and charge the whole system up to ~20 psi and spray dish soapy water to leak test. Pain in the ass to do but works great.

Link to testers if interested https://turboboostleaktesters.com/how-to-boost-leak-test/
 


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Hey All,

I'm curious about what peak boost numbers people are seeing who have a similar set up to mine and are tuned by JST. (see details on car below).
Upfront, the car maybe sees 24-24.5 at most in peak boost, during a 4th gear pull. This has been consistent since i got the tune nearly 4 years ago.. and boost never came up as a concern.

Here's the stats:
I'm running a custom JST tune (91 & E30)
Car is 2015, 115k on the clock.
Car basically just has panel filter, intercooler and exhaust(really no power gain here) stock dp, GFB DV+, J-pipe & cooler ngk plugs— for power.


To be clear, I don't care that much about peak boost numbers, more so what i'm getting throughout the curve, HOWEVER...I tried a new flash tune recently from Dizzy and Jason said my peak boost was below (nearly 24 psi or so) what he likes to see closer to 26psi— so I'm curious about maybe a boost leak which another tuner pointed out looking at my recent datalogs. Checked boost hoses and they'are all clamed up nice.
What was the outside temperature when you took your data log? I normally see 25-26psi on Dizzy Stage 2, but I’ve noticed that some logs I took when it was cold and humid (54F), I see lower boost (24.5psi) for the same apparent vDyno power, I suspect due to the lower charge air temperatures.

I that our more modern torque based throttle mapping results in more consistent power with temperature, but more variable boost and timing than what you’d get with an old-school engine/ECU that has fixed pressure boost and static timing maps.

The throttle position is asking for torque, and the ECU dials in however much oomph needed to deliver it. At some point when the air is already cold and dense coming in, that means dialing back boost a tad.

Maybe @Jason@dizzytuning can shed some light on this, and if I’m close or just imagining things.
 


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What was the outside temperature when you took your data log? I normally see 25-26psi on Dizzy Stage 2, but I’ve noticed that some logs I took when it was cold and humid (54F), I see lower boost (24.5psi) for the same apparent vDyno power, I suspect due to the lower charge air temperatures.

I that our more modern torque based throttle mapping results in more consistent power with temperature, but more variable boost and timing than what you’d get with an old-school engine/ECU that has fixed pressure boost and static timing maps.

The throttle position is asking for torque, and the ECU dials in however much oomph needed to deliver it. At some point when the air is already cold and dense coming in, that means dialing back boost a tad.

Maybe @Jason@dizzytuning can shed some light on this, and if I’m close or just imagining things.
This is my understanding as well, hence the check engine light some folks throw for exceeding target torque value or something along those lines.
 


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I’ve been hitting 24-24.5 for as long as I can remember but it’s been really cold and wet the last couple months so we’ll see what goes when the temps one up and the air dries up.
 


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my high mileage car, both on a dizzy tune and tuneplus custom tune won't go anywhere over 22psi in 2nd & 23psi in 3rd. i'm wondering if my turbo is starting to leave the chat
 


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I am following because I have owned two fiesta's (2015 and 2016) both of which have the same EXACT issue with peak boost... which Jason has also mentioned while running his stage 2 ots tune.. at this point I am starting to think it's the wastegate....
 


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@Zeille & @Gs1504, I'm of the thining it is age, and i want to inspect the WG to see if there is any play on the actuator. I don't feel like the car is lacking... but I'm curious if I'm missing out on some extra oomph. Jason knows the model year of car, and what it's capable of, so who knows. Did either of you address boost hoses yet?
 


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Temps were mid 50s, low 60s, probably some moisture.



What was the outside temperature when you took your data log? I normally see 25-26psi on Dizzy Stage 2, but I’ve noticed that some logs I took when it was cold and humid (54F), I see lower boost (24.5psi) for the same apparent vDyno power, I suspect due to the lower charge air temperatures.

I that our more modern torque based throttle mapping results in more consistent power with temperature, but more variable boost and timing than what you’d get with an old-school engine/ECU that has fixed pressure boost and static timing maps.

The throttle position is asking for torque, and the ECU dials in however much oomph needed to deliver it. At some point when the air is already cold and dense coming in, that means dialing back boost a tad.

Maybe @Jason@dizzytuning can shed some light on this, and if I’m close or just imagining things.
 




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