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[BronxBomber]

It would be interesting to see VDyno plots of both tunes, assuming both were developed using the same hardware.

And on that 2.5" vs 3" exhaust note, it will be really ironic if SS is getting an extra 10hp out of his 3" when I just downsized to 2.5" for stealth. Fortunately my 3" is in the shed, just in case.

I'll
See if I can post some vdyno tomorrow of each tune. Both were done with the exact same parts on he car in its current state.

 

[Sourskittle]

+1

WHAT will it do on E30 (still a MAJOR pain for me to get E85, but is 'doable'), with consistency, safety, and reliability?

I WILL NOT do meth (either the hillbilly drug, OR the 'boost juice' LOL), so I need to know the possibilities on other fueling, or I will have to give up on even even considering a hybrid in the future IF it is considered a requirement.

I do NOT want to get into the whole BS flame wars/arguments about this again, so PLEASE just answers/results, and NO vitriol.

You should prob check the results thread.

Me personally, I'm just posting what my car does with my setup. Last time I tried to do a pump gas tune, it cost me a head gasket.

I maybe will do a soft soft E20 tune for Sunday hard road driving trips where Meth isn't going to last for 150 miles and 2-3 hours of beating. But it would/will be ultra conservative since it would be like a road course type tune.

But others have covered pump gas and E30, so my loose plan is to get the tune right and make as much power as I can without race fuel, stick it on a real dyno, and then.... that's it. People can like it or hate it or what ever, it will be on a dynojet, but I first have to work out some kinks. I just this morning got the throttle closures fixed and I have a long way to go with timing since it's begging for more timing.

And that's the also the point of me posting a video of the car on a scale already. I've said for 4-5 months now it would make more than 310whp, more like 320whp. Well.... here we are, and it's a little humid outside and 70 or more degrees out. What are the air flow numbers and V-dyno numbers going to be when the temps drop ? Well.... I said I was going to hurt feelings.

 

[DvC]

SS who is doing your tuning?

 

[UtahST]

SS who is doing your tuning?

I'm pretty sure he is


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[Brura22]

+1

WHAT will it do on E30 (still a MAJOR pain for me to get E85, but is 'doable'), with consistency, safety, and reliability?

I WILL NOT do meth (either the hillbilly drug, OR the 'boost juice' LOL), so I need to know the possibilities on other fueling, or I will have to give up on even even considering a hybrid in the future IF it is considered a requirement.

I do NOT want to get into the whole BS flame wars/arguments about this again, so PLEASE just answers/results, and NO vitriol.

I'm not flaming you just saying.

Water/Meth is actually a fantastic route.
If you spend the money on a PROPER setup, you can't go wrong.
I run the Direct Injection Aquamist system. Connects to the fuel injector signal and injects the water/meth based off the signal going to the injectors.
I run 70% meth 30% distilled water.

A GOOD pump will last just as long as your regular fuel pump if you're not running 100% meth.

I also run a 5 injector setup, one in the cold side pipe, and a 4 injector direct port setup.

My setup cost the same as aux fueling and runs off the exact same signal. Your aux fuel controller runs off the stock signal as well.


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[M-Sport fan]

Yes, it IS a "fantastic route" to take, and I KNOW it 'works' even better than it is supposed to, is a miracle cure, etc., etc., no need to sell me on it.

It's just that I do NOT want to be bothered with it, and I do NOT like that it runs out on a long hard drive (just like nitrous, which I consider a drag race ONLY type mod).
This is not even considering the problems some have with these systems despite how much coin they spend on them IF they are not perfectly set up.

I do NOT drag race at all (with THIS car), nor will I EVER (I won't even take it to a test n' tune to "see what she will do"), so I do NOT need the (extra "free") power for that (even though yes, I know there are road race people who do use this mod)

The bottom line is that I do NOT want to do this mod, and I should not "have to" in order to have reliable, constant, power much higher than stock on an aftermarket turbo setup.

 

[Brura22]

Yes, it IS a "fantastic route" to take, and I KNOW it 'works' even better than it is supposed to, is a miracle cure, etc., etc., no need to sell me on it.

It's just that I do NOT want to be bothered with it, and I do NOT like that it runs out on a long hard drive.

I do NOT drag race at all (with THIS car), nor will I EVER (I won't even take it to a test n' tune to "see what she will do"), so I do NOT need the (extra "free") power for that.

The bottom line is that I do NOT want to do this mod, and I should not "have to" in order to have reliable, constant, power much higher than stock on an aftermarket turbo setup.

No problem mate.

I do however switch to a regular pump gas low psi tune on long road trips, doesn't even kick the WMI on.
Keeps my MPG high and still enough power to pass[emoji846]



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[Sourskittle]

Yes, it IS a "fantastic route" to take, and I KNOW it 'works' even better than it is supposed to, is a miracle cure, etc., etc., no need to sell me on it.

It's just that I do NOT want to be bothered with it, and I do NOT like that it runs out on a long hard drive (just like nitrous, which I consider a drag race ONLY type mod).
This is not even considering the problems some have with these systems despite how much coin they spend on them IF they are not perfectly set up.

I do NOT drag race at all (with THIS car), nor will I EVER (I won't even take it to a test n' tune to "see what she will do"), so I do NOT need the (extra "free") power for that (even though yes, I know there are road race people who do use this mod)

The bottom line is that I do NOT want to do this mod, and I should not "have to" in order to have reliable, constant, power much higher than stock on an aftermarket turbo setup.

DHM sells a kit that will make the power your talking about. No snake oil needed.
Gen2 GTX2860 DHM360 kit.

 

[Brura22]

DHM sells a kit that will make the power your talking about. No snake oil needed.
Gen2 GTX2860 DHM360 kit.

+1 if you want the reliable constant 300 whp mark with no meth or ethanol then the DHM GTX kits are a good bet.
They will make 300 whp easy on pump gas only.

IMO you won't get 300 whp out of hybrid with ONLY 91 oct pump. At least I haven't seen it.
You're gonna need e30 or meth.. or both.
But at the same time, while the DHM kits still spool at a wicked good rate for how large of a turbo they're putting on a 1.6... it's still not stock/hybrid spooling numbers.

So if you're wanting 300 whp, with hybrid/stock turbo response, on straight pump gas. Then yeaaahhhh... maybe someone else has some ideas on how he can reach his goal.

 

[shouldbeasy]

+1

WHAT will it do on E30 (still a MAJOR pain for me to get E85, but is 'doable'), with consistency, safety, and reliability?

I WILL NOT do meth (either the hillbilly drug, OR the 'boost juice' LOL), so I need to know the possibilities on other fueling, or I will have to give up on even even considering a hybrid in the future IF it is considered a requirement.

I do NOT want to get into the whole BS flame wars/arguments about this again, so PLEASE just answers/results, and NO vitriol.

I'll agree with you on not wanting to run meth! Both kinds! Ha!

I don't think it's a prerequisite for the hybrids, if you want to squeeze the absolute most out of your hybrid then it's certainly needed. It does not seem that a meth tune is necessary for the the safe operation of these turbo options.

At least I hope not! I'll be running a 91 and 93 octane tunes for my new purchase.

 

[Sourskittle]

No I agree. If you don't want to run meth, I totally understand that. It's just.... your not going to make 300whp on a hybrid, not mine, or anyone's without meth. And it's not entirely a meth thing, it's a fuel volume thing. 93oct has limited oct. E30 has a limited fuel ceiling. You can get dang close on E30 but your really pushing the fuel system limits. So it's a fail either way. The difference in efficiency and capability between a hybrid affordable turbo and $2,000 "JUST FOR THE TURBO" setup's are just light years apart. If it's takes a 2,000 turbo unit paired with $2500 of other parts and tune to make 300-320whp on pump gas, it's pretty much un-thinkable that it can be done on a $1300 turbo without some serious octane help. Meth fills the octane gap, helps with the natural compressor outlet temps, AND fills the fuel volume gap perfectly.

We know it's not required to run meth. Russ made 275whp on a real dyno on a real normal car without a ton of race type supporting mods with normal ole fuel.
But to keep pushing the false prophecy of 300whp on pump gas with ANY HYBRID is either a waste of time, or a future motor transplant candidate.

My tuner and I don't have the expertise of DHM. But we are going to do the best we can with what we have. And trying to tune my personal car for pump gas, when that's not an option I'm interested in, is a waste of time, and a potential hazard to my engine. I'll never run anything other than at least E20-E25, and even if I get stuck with 93oct, it's basically going to be a eco tune for long road trips ( like a drive from Florida to the Dragon with 20gal of E85 in the hatch lol ).

As for peak power and all, I don't mind pushing the envelope a bit. It's something no one has done. It has meaning. Me doing a 93oct tune would only do what? MAYBE get me 290whp on 93oct? And it would take an expert like Russ to do it.

If anyone wants to know, they could always bolt one one and find out if they want to put their engine on the line.

Honestly, Pete's car burning a piston really just made me more focused on meth/water injection for cylinder cooling. Car did 5 full sweep 4th gear pulls last night with the timing corrections at +6.00 or +7.50 at the top end, so it's making 300whp+ and doing it pretty safe


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[M-Sport fan]

I'll agree with you on not wanting to run meth! Both kinds! Ha!

I don't think it's a prerequisite for the hybrids, if you want to squeeze the absolute most out of your hybrid then it's certainly needed. It does not seem that a meth tune is necessary for the the safe operation of these turbo options.

At least I hope not! I'll be running a 91 and 93 octane tunes for my new purchase.

I really was NOT requiring a 300 WHP mark/'goal' as an absolute 'necessity' (as everyone seems to assume).

I was just asking WHAT is the max possible one could safely, consistently, and reliably get out of a hybrid with an E30, or 93 tune, and ALL of the other ancillary 'helper' mods (DHM Race IC, FULL porting/aftermarket manifold, big DP, etc.), EXCEPT aux injector kits, OR the methy juice.

 

[Brura22]

I really was NOT requiring a 300 WHP mark/'goal' as an absolute 'necessity' (as everyone seems to assume).

I was just asking WHAT is the max possible one could safely, consistently, and reliably get out of a hybrid with an E30, or 93 tune, and ALL of the other ancillary 'helper' mods (DHM Race IC, FULL porting/aftermarket manifold, big DP, etc.), EXCEPT aux injector kits, OR the methy juice.

Oh you can definitely expect 275 out of a C39 on 93 octane and all those mods.
In my opinion! 280's could be possible.
After all... it is called the "ST280" kit by DHM

 

[Sourskittle]

I really was NOT requiring a 300 WHP mark/'goal' as an absolute 'necessity' (as everyone seems to assume).

I was just asking WHAT is the max possible one could safely, consistently, and reliably get out of a hybrid with an E30, or 93 tune, and ALL of the other ancillary 'helper' mods (DHM Race IC, FULL porting/aftermarket manifold, big DP, etc.), EXCEPT aux injector kits, OR the methy juice.

My personal answer would be.... 285whp with all the help on 93oct. And a DHM tune. Not that you couldn't maybe push it to more. If you were doing something like big road course action ( like Sebring international or equal ), I'd look at like 250-260whp on the track. And that's ANY and all hybrids, not just mine. The turbine housing isn't getting any bigger.

 

[Pete]

No I agree. If you don't want to run meth, I totally understand that. It's just.... your not going to make 300whp on a hybrid, not mine, or anyone's without meth. And it's not entirely a meth thing, it's a fuel volume thing. 93oct has limited oct. E30 has a limited fuel ceiling. You can get dang close on E30 but your really pushing the fuel system limits. So it's a fail either way. The difference in efficiency and capability between a hybrid affordable turbo and $2,000 "JUST FOR THE TURBO" setup's are just light years apart. If it's takes a 2,000 turbo unit paired with $2500 of other parts and tune to make 300-320whp on pump gas, it's pretty much un-thinkable that it can be done on a $1300 turbo without some serious octane help. Meth fills the octane gap, helps with the natural compressor outlet temps, AND fills the fuel volume gap perfectly.

We know it's not required to run meth. Russ made 275whp on a real dyno on a real normal car without a ton of race type supporting mods with normal ole fuel.
But to keep pushing the false prophecy of 300whp on pump gas with ANY HYBRID is either a waste of time, or a future motor transplant candidate.

My tuner and I don't have the expertise of DHM. But we are going to do the best we can with what we have. And trying to tune my personal car for pump gas, when that's not an option I'm interested in, is a waste of time, and a potential hazard to my engine. I'll never run anything other than at least E20-E25, and even if I get stuck with 93oct, it's basically going to be a eco tune for long road trips ( like a drive from Florida to the Dragon with 20gal of E85 in the hatch lol ).

As for peak power and all, I don't mind pushing the envelope a bit. It's something no one has done. It has meaning. Me doing a 93oct tune would only do what? MAYBE get me 290whp on 93oct? And it would take an expert like Russ to do it.

If anyone wants to know, they could always bolt one one and find out if they want to put their engine on the line.

Honestly, Pete's car burning a piston really just made me more focused on meth/water injection for cylinder cooling. Car did 5 full sweep 4th gear pulls last night with the timing corrections at +6.00 or +7.50 at the top end, so it's making 300whp+ and doing it pretty safe


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I have been looking into Meth myself to run for the built engine for when I go to the track. Have a couple of gallons on the side and fill it up after every session. Not that the forged pistons would need it but looking at the results of Meth with the hybrid turbos is a good gain. But again I would use it only for track use. And then you can have a video on how to install a Meth system hahaha!

 

[Pete]

No I agree. If you don't want to run meth, I totally understand that. It's just.... your not going to make 300whp on a hybrid, not mine, or anyone's without meth. And it's not entirely a meth thing, it's a fuel volume thing. 93oct has limited oct. E30 has a limited fuel ceiling. You can get dang close on E30 but your really pushing the fuel system limits. So it's a fail either way. The difference in efficiency and capability between a hybrid affordable turbo and $2,000 "JUST FOR THE TURBO" setup's are just light years apart. If it's takes a 2,000 turbo unit paired with $2500 of other parts and tune to make 300-320whp on pump gas, it's pretty much un-thinkable that it can be done on a $1300 turbo without some serious octane help. Meth fills the octane gap, helps with the natural compressor outlet temps, AND fills the fuel volume gap perfectly.

We know it's not required to run meth. Russ made 275whp on a real dyno on a real normal car without a ton of race type supporting mods with normal ole fuel.
But to keep pushing the false prophecy of 300whp on pump gas with ANY HYBRID is either a waste of time, or a future motor transplant candidate.

My tuner and I don't have the expertise of DHM. But we are going to do the best we can with what we have. And trying to tune my personal car for pump gas, when that's not an option I'm interested in, is a waste of time, and a potential hazard to my engine. I'll never run anything other than at least E20-E25, and even if I get stuck with 93oct, it's basically going to be a eco tune for long road trips ( like a drive from Florida to the Dragon with 20gal of E85 in the hatch lol ).

As for peak power and all, I don't mind pushing the envelope a bit. It's something no one has done. It has meaning. Me doing a 93oct tune would only do what? MAYBE get me 290whp on 93oct? And it would take an expert like Russ to do it.

If anyone wants to know, they could always bolt one one and find out if they want to put their engine on the line.

Honestly, Pete's car burning a piston really just made me more focused on meth/water injection for cylinder cooling. Car did 5 full sweep 4th gear pulls last night with the timing corrections at +6.00 or +7.50 at the top end, so it's making 300whp+ and doing it pretty safe


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I have been looking into Meth myself to run for the built engine for when I go to the track. Have a couple of gallons on the side and fill it up after every session. Not that the forged pistons would need it but looking at the results of Meth with the hybrid turbos is a good gain. But again I would use it only for track use. And then you can have a video on how to install a Meth system hahaha!

 

[Sourskittle]

These are aquarist jets. One day "2" on it. One says "7" on it.

Anyone notice anything odd about this combo of "2" and "7"? Lol.

 

[Sourskittle]

Here is a hint lol

 

[Sourskittle]

Just keep swimming Franco !!!

Sorry I didn't response earlier today, trying to get the timing belt done on the TL- typeS in the shop

And the answer is... the #2 just is 40% larger than the #7 jet. It's actually a #1.2 jet vs a #0.7 jet.


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[grnmachine02]

I hate to be that guy but....

Looks like there are now at least 2 forum members with roached engines when using a hybrid. Is this a serious concern, or can we chalk those two up too bad luck? I'm not trying to stir the pot, just genuinely curious.