Graham Goode Intake

[Colin1337]

1. I don't need to show you jack sh**. i'm not trying to sell a product like you, the fact that you are trying to sell a product, your proof means nothing.
2. all I'm trying to do is give iso100 options, which you clearly don't like. you sales people are all the same, you would love to keep your clientele ignorant. that on its own shows you should not be trusted.
3. after 3 years experience I learnt that an open cai in the engine bay is bs and you will lose power. but hey, clearly your 10 years has taught you very little.
4. there is no argument here. all you have is a dyno sheet from a manufacturer trying to sell something. that's speaks loud enough.
5. the only proof I would believe is if an independent test was run, comparing injen to a stock airbox with k&n. similar to
http://fiestast.net/threads/fiesta-st-intake-2jr-dyno-results.997/
5. if others are dumb enough to take what a manufacturer and salesman says as fact, then they deserved to get ripped off.

Hey man, take it down a notch.
All ModBargains is trying to do is have a freindly comversation. If you disagree, then do so a little more tactfully.

 

[myrightfoot]

Hey man, take it down a notch.
All ModBargains is trying to do is have a freindly comversation. If you disagree, then do so a little more tactfully.

are you serious, there's no friendly conversation from him. I was trying to help a fellow enthusiast and he started an argument, because he wants to make a quick buck. I think you need to read the posts properly.

 

[MKVIIST]

Hey guys, lets shake hands and agree to disagree.

The main point in having a forum is to share ideas with one another and discuss things in a civil manner.

I can certainly see things from both sides and this is where we should let people form their own judgement and decisions without heated exchanges. We're all adults and can certainly comprehend both sides of the coin.

myrightfoot, it's definitely appreciated that you're sharing your view points and providing other alternatives to intakes. On the same token, ModBargains is also doing the same and providing another alternative for members that can be more affordable to North American owners.

I also understand your comment about ModBargains trying to make a sale, but keep in mind that the people at ModBargains are also car enthusiasts that really do take their time to carry the right product and make sure they offer advice that will reflect their company in a positive way. At the end of the day it's not their goal to sell members bad products that will hurt their reputation in the long term. Furthermore, Injen isn't a new company but rather they've been here for a long time so I would expect they put some thorough R&D in their products.

Regardless lets all try to keep an open mind on all the intakes out there and in time the results will slowly trickle from real world testing on who has the best intakes.

 

[myrightfoot]

Hey guys, lets shake hands and agree to disagree.

The main point in having a forum is to share ideas with one another and discuss things in a civil manner.

I can certainly see things from both sides and this is where we should let people form their own judgement and decisions without heated exchanges. We're all adults and can certainly comprehend both sides of the coin.

myrightfoot, it's definitely appreciated that you're sharing your view points and providing other alternatives to intakes. On the same token, ModBargains is also doing the same and providing another alternative for members that can be more affordable to North American owners.

I also understand your comment about ModBargains trying to make a sale, but keep in mind that the people at ModBargains are also car enthusiasts that really do take their time to carry the right product and make sure they offer advice that will reflect their company in a positive way. At the end of the day it's not their goal to sell members bad products that will hurt their reputation in the long term. Furthermore, Injen isn't a new company but rather they've been here for a long time so I would expect they put some thorough R&D in their products.

Regardless lets all try to keep an open mind on all the intakes out there and in time the results will slowly trickle from real world testing on who has the best intakes.

of course bud, you know on which side your bread is buttered, so I wont argue.

 

[iso100]

I see points from both sides and I appreciate the commentary on both.

On one side the Injen is a proven company with a dyno sheet and comes to me from my same country for far cheaper.

On the other side are some other more expensive options that might have a better heat shield but are lacking in other areas.

Back in my VW days there was a company that made an intake that had an injection molded plastic intake tube combined with a nearly complete airbox made from plastic as well. It even had a snorkel-like scoop to ensure adequate cold air could bathe the filter. Having the tubing and airbox in plastic should alleviate some of the heat soak issues with metal pipes and shields.

It wasn't cheap though. The tooling to injection mold ABS is very expensive and unless they're assured to run tons of volume that expense is hard to recover.

Anyway, I wanted to post that I appreciate both sides of the argument here and your input is not falling on deaf ears. Let's try to keep it civil though. ;-)

 

[myrightfoot]

I see points from both sides and I appreciate the commentary on both.

On one side the Injen is a proven company with a dyno sheet and comes to me from my same country for far cheaper.

On the other side are some other more expensive options that might have a better heat shield but are lacking in other areas.

Back in my VW days there was a company that made an intake that had an injection molded plastic intake tube combined with a nearly complete airbox made from plastic as well. It even had a snorkel-like scoop to ensure adequate cold air could bathe the filter. Having the tubing and airbox in plastic should alleviate some of the heat soak issues with metal pipes and shields.

It wasn't cheap though. The tooling to injection mold ABS is very expensive and unless they're assured to run tons of volume that expense is hard to recover.

Anyway, I wanted to post that I appreciate both sides of the argument here and your input is not falling on deaf ears. Let's try to keep it civil though. ;-)

I have a very, very, low tolerance for sales and marketing people.

 

[rooSTer]

I agree with all that is posted above minus all the tangent unwarranted comments...nothing that is posted falls on deaf ears or in this case blind eyes. The maturity level on this forum is the reason why I like to come here to read and share when I can.

 

[myrightfoot]

I agree with all that is posted above minus all the tangent unwarranted comments...nothing that is posted falls on deaf ear or in this case blind eyes. The maturity level on this forum is the reason why I like to come here to read and share when I can.

just for interest sake, and its just a question, don't take offence, but what was unwarranted, modbargain rubbishing another companies products or me calling him on his rubbish?

 

[TheStig]

I have a very, very, low tolerance for sales and marketing people.

You can kindly leave the forum at any given time. Its pretty clear you are wound up tight as can be waiting for someone to just look at you sideways so you can go off on them. The forum doesnt need people who are going to act in the manner you do, this is the internet we can all act tough, why not just be courteous instead.

 

[BlueBomber]

sure thing buddy. you will say whatever you need, to sell your product. I understand, you are a sales man, which is why I would not take anything you say too seriously.
its already been shown that an intake sucking air from inside the engine bay, will actually lose power once the air in the bay is heats up. actually the stock air box and K&n panel filter, made about the same power as the CAI, accept top end. where the CAI dropped power.

talk about half assed, take a look at your heat shield. there's no way hot air can get to your filter!!!

[full hard pipe] if you have ever read a science book you would realise silicone's heat conductivity is around 0.2 W/mK. As a general fact most plastic is a better option when you actually trying to keep heat out! maybe someone at injen "engineers" should have read a book first before using metal for their intake tube.

Just kidding im sure they know this, they chose to ignore it because its cheaper for them to use a metal drain pipe. but thanks for giving all of us a cheap option.

http://fiestast.net/threads/fiesta-st-intake-2jr-dyno-results.997/

Caaaallllm down, man. There's no need to be rude here. He does have a point, and it's by no means as if we manufacture Injen's intake - we're enthusiasts over here ourselves - but more importantly unless you have a USDM or NA Fiesta ST you can't use an Injen intake anyways if you are in South Africa, as your intake options will differ from what we are using stateside as the ECM as well as the ECM's method of metering incoming air is totally different between the two. While we can both use the Mountune intake pieces and this Graham Goode piece probably, but any system where the upper airbox housing is changed or sensor is moved won't interchange.

Am I going to lose sleep if you don't buy your intake from the company I work for? No. Would it be nice if you did? Yes, but that's not the point. (It's worth noting I am non-sales and totally non-comissioned) Part of why I convinced the bosses over here to let us start offering parts for the ST market is to ensure that we, collectively, as enthusiasts, have options - it's selfish too, because I want the best stuff available for my car and my friends with Fiestas to be at a one-stop-shop as it were. I personally research every Fiesta ST and Focus ST item we offer myself, I - and the Modification Experts (not salesmen) I work with know what those options are, what's realistically possible to do with modifying a car and the technical reasons for why you might want to get a particular mod or why one option might be a better fit for you than the other.

As a Fiesta ST expert, and someone who's run both Injen Intake and modified Stock Intake with Cobb Filter and about to try out Cobb's offerings on my own car, here's something to consider. The Graham Goode intake setup is just a piece of the induction system, not any different than Mountune's piece for the same part of the system. It's only 1/3 of the system. It cannot deliver anywhere near the same gains as Injen, Cobb, FSWerks simply because there is less of the intake system replaced.

Injen, Cobb and FSwerks are all using hardpipes, and personally I prefer the hardpipes over silicon - the flow is fantastic and there is definitely gain there - surely the engineers at three separate manufacturers can't be wrong. The change in throttle response is also quite dramatic - I don't at all doubt the dyno figures quoted. And dude, this is the internet, it's reasonable to expect you'll be asked to provide proof of what you're saying sometimes.

What I don't like about this system - and Mountune for that matter - is having to piecemeal the intake system together, and at $200+ per piece, that adds up quite quickly.

Yes, a sealed airbox will draw lower temperatures than an open filter element with a heat shield overall - what I have a hard time fathoming is why you are opting for GG and not Mountune when even Mountune is actually less expensive...

Since I personally ran the Injen intake in conjunction with my Cobb AccessPORT, I watched my intake air temps and in the real world, there was not much difference between OEM and Injen as far as charge temps go. Having switched between Injen intake and OEM airbox with Cobb high flow (unmodified airbox), hands down, Injen wins for power across the revband - and remember, these cars only rev to 6500-6750 unless you're tuned, so that low end response really helps you scoot. I experienced a record-setting hot day with the Injen unit a few months back and again a week or so ago with the Cobb high flow in a modded stock airbox. On a hot day, your Fiesta ST is going to bog unless you do something to further bolster cooling regardless of what intake you have. If I'm honest, I might try modifying the Injen intake slightly and relocating the filter further for the coolest possible air charge in the future, as I've done with my lower airbox. Having modified my OEM airbox (modded open bottom ducted to inside fender, ported ducting bringing in cool air from behind headlight), it's still not as powerful as the Injen intake, isn't as loud/satisfying to drive with and the charge temperatures aren't much different than with Injen.

If you are seriously worried about maximum cooling, heat reflective tape is an easy and inexpensive solution, but for the majority of users, outside of extremely hot climates, probably won't notice much difference between Silicon and aluminum hardpipes. The other thing is, as a long time Ford owner, historically we have not had good luck with parts made of plastic... (4.6L Intake manifold anyone? 3.8L Intake with IMRCs?)

While Joe did a great job in the thread you posted, the testing wasn't exactly done using the scientific method, and only compared a stock airbox with K&N drop-in and in his test, no heat shielding at all was present around the filter when it was in the bay... so it's not exactly apples-to-apples comparison and the extra variables make it messy. It would be nice to see a direct head-to-head CAI vs CAI. And the Injen unit closes up the bottom, whereas the 2J test run plumbed the filter element directly down where the lower airbox normally lives. Again, not apples to apples.

I can appreciate that you are trying to have a discussion but I don't appreciate your tone - one of the things that makes FiestaSTForum different is the manners and civility of the userbase, so please try to remember to be polite.

So that's my perspective on this.

 

[iso100]

I'm now wondering if the Injen can be best of both worlds with the addition of a 90? silicone elbow that puts the filter down in the hole where the lower airbox sits.

 

[BlueBomber]

I'm now wondering if the Injen can be best of both worlds with the addition of a 90? silicone elbow that puts the filter down in the hole where the lower airbox sits.

This was exactly what I had in mind except not plumbing the filter to where the lower airbox is, but rather using a flexhose or something to route it into the fender to get the inlet further away from the heat in that general area of the engine compartment.

Doing it this way the air charge is as cool as is possible and the inlet is in a waterproof location (unless you decide to ford a river or something)

 

[ukilledkenny]

just for interest sake, and its just a question, don't take offence, but what was unwarranted, modbargain rubbishing another companies products or me calling him on his rubbish?

Seriously? Go read this thread as an impartial observer who isn't overly paranoid of a salesman.

 

[myrightfoot]

Caaaallllm down, man. There's no need to be rude here. He does have a point, and it's by no means as if we manufacture Injen's intake - we're enthusiasts over here ourselves - but more importantly unless you have a USDM or NA Fiesta ST you can't use an Injen intake anyways if you are in South Africa, as your intake options will differ from what we are using stateside as the ECM as well as the ECM's method of metering incoming air is totally different between the two. While we can both use the Mountune intake pieces and this Graham Goode piece probably, but any system where the upper airbox housing is changed or sensor is moved won't interchange.

Am I going to lose sleep if you don't buy your intake from the company I work for? No. Would it be nice if you did? Yes, but that's not the point. (It's worth noting I am non-sales and totally non-comissioned) Part of why I convinced the bosses over here to let us start offering parts for the ST market is to ensure that we, collectively, as enthusiasts, have options - it's selfish too, because I want the best stuff available for my car and my friends with Fiestas to be at a one-stop-shop as it were. I personally research every Fiesta ST and Focus ST item we offer myself, I - and the Modification Experts (not salesmen) I work with know what those options are, what's realistically possible to do with modifying a car and the technical reasons for why you might want to get a particular mod or why one option might be a better fit for you than the other.

As a Fiesta ST expert, and someone who's run both Injen Intake and modified Stock Intake with Cobb Filter and about to try out Cobb's offerings on my own car, here's something to consider. The Graham Goode intake setup is just a piece of the induction system, not any different than Mountune's piece for the same part of the system. It's only 1/3 of the system. It cannot deliver anywhere near the same gains as Injen, Cobb, FSWerks simply because there is less of the intake system replaced.

Injen, Cobb and FSwerks are all using hardpipes, and personally I prefer the hardpipes over silicon - the flow is fantastic and there is definitely gain there - surely the engineers at three separate manufacturers can't be wrong. The change in throttle response is also quite dramatic - I don't at all doubt the dyno figures quoted. And dude, this is the internet, it's reasonable to expect you'll be asked to provide proof of what you're saying sometimes.

What I don't like about this system - and Mountune for that matter - is having to piecemeal the intake system together, and at $200+ per piece, that adds up quite quickly.

Yes, a sealed airbox will draw lower temperatures than an open filter element with a heat shield overall - what I have a hard time fathoming is why you are opting for GG and not Mountune when even Mountune is actually less expensive...

Since I personally ran the Injen intake in conjunction with my Cobb AccessPORT, I watched my intake air temps and in the real world, there was not much difference between OEM and Injen as far as charge temps go. Having switched between Injen intake and OEM airbox with Cobb high flow (unmodified airbox), hands down, Injen wins for power across the revband - and remember, these cars only rev to 6500-6750 unless you're tuned, so that low end response really helps you scoot. I experienced a record-setting hot day with the Injen unit a few months back and again a week or so ago with the Cobb high flow in a modded stock airbox. On a hot day, your Fiesta ST is going to bog unless you do something to further bolster cooling regardless of what intake you have. If I'm honest, I might try modifying the Injen intake slightly and relocating the filter further for the coolest possible air charge in the future, as I've done with my lower airbox. Having modified my OEM airbox (modded open bottom ducted to inside fender, ported ducting bringing in cool air from behind headlight), it's still not as powerful as the Injen intake, isn't as loud/satisfying to drive with and the charge temperatures aren't much different than with Injen.

If you are seriously worried about maximum cooling, heat reflective tape is an easy and inexpensive solution, but for the majority of users, outside of extremely hot climates, probably won't notice much difference between Silicon and aluminum hardpipes. The other thing is, as a long time Ford owner, historically we have not had good luck with parts made of plastic... (4.6L Intake manifold anyone? 3.8L Intake with IMRCs?)

While Joe did a great job in the thread you posted, the testing wasn't exactly done using the scientific method, and only compared a stock airbox with K&N drop-in and in his test, no heat shielding at all was present around the filter when it was in the bay... so it's not exactly apples-to-apples comparison and the extra variables make it messy. It would be nice to see a direct head-to-head CAI vs CAI. And the Injen unit closes up the bottom, whereas the 2J test run plumbed the filter element directly down where the lower airbox normally lives. Again, not apples to apples.

I can appreciate that you are trying to have a discussion but I don't appreciate your tone - one of the things that makes FiestaSTForum different is the manners and civility of the userbase, so please try to remember to be polite.

So that's my perspective on this.

1. I doubt you can back anything you said with any independent data. you were quick to call for proof i.e. a dyno sheet, yet I doubt you can do the same with the assertions you just made.

2. Aren't we on our high horse. So you come out on the attack, you start the augment with, lets say rubbish (because there's lots of sensitive people here) then when you get, lets say "rubbish" back, you want to give me a lecture on civility and my tone. just remember buddy, you get what you put out. the most amazing thing I find on these "civil" forums is that when someone talks rubbish and they get questioned they throw their toys out of the cot. I mean look what happened. iso asks for about a intake system, you immediately start with the negative comments, attacking another companies product. I then give him another option and once again, you are on the attack, talking about how "half assed" the product is. I then call you on your "rubbish" and you have the audacity to want to give me a lecture on manners and civility!!! clearly yourself and the forum members find it acceptable for one company to attack another companies product, but heaven forbid someone uses the abbreviation BS or jack shhhhhh, you are all up in arms....

 

[BlueBomber]

1. I doubt you can back anything you said with any independent data. you were quick to call for proof i.e. a dyno sheet, yet I doubt you can do the same with the assertions you just made.

2. Aren't we on our high horse. So you come out on the attack, you start the augment with, lets say rubbish (because there's lots of sensitive people here) then when you get, lets say "rubbish" back, you want to give me a lecture on civility and my tone. just remember buddy, you get what you put out. the most amazing thing I find on these "civil" forums is that when someone talks rubbish and they get questioned they throw their toys out of the cot. I mean look what happened. iso asks for about a intake system, you immediately start with the negative comments, attacking another companies product. I then give him another option and once again, you are on the attack, talking about how "half assed" the product is. I then call you on your "rubbish" and you have the audacity to want to give me a lecture on manners and civility!!! are you insane! clearly the forum members find it acceptable for one company to attack another companies product, but heaven forbid someone uses the abbreviation BS or jack sh************************************************************************************************, you are all up in arms....

1. Boom. Dyno sheet. Nearly every intake option for these cars - even hacking out the bottom of your airbox - has a dyno sheet somewhere.

I happen to know the car that was used for that run as he's a local SoCal guy - I think he's on here as BadMoonKid or something.

I gave you firsthand anecdotal experience along with the charge temperatures I observed as well as relative response. I drive the same route at the same time every day in about the same traffic, so the dataset is consistent. Not to mention I gave you my honest opinion.
While only the Injen intake is listed on my site, as soon as more options stateside hit the market become available, I'll offer them. If it was trash talking, it would be a different story, but he had valid points.

2. High horse. Yeah. Funny thing about that. a) Your tone sets mine. b) In case you haven't noticed, I am a mod for a reason. The purpose of a moderator is to moderate discussion. I don't have a problem with you making a point about liking or disliking a product. The thing he commented on did indeed look like the finished product still needed a good bit of work and indeed the hardware appeared to be right out of Home depot. Would you have reacted the same way if anyone else had said the same?

About the intakes on the market. All of these don't seal up the air box and will suffer about the same degree of heat soak, which in my experience, using an intake with a basic heat shield, intake air temps went up slightly but not much and freeway operation temps actually got 2 degrees closer to ambient air temp than stock.

 

[myrightfoot]

1. Boom. Dyno sheet. Nearly every intake option for these cars - even hacking out the bottom of your airbox - has a dyno sheet somewhere.

I happen to know the car that was used for that run as he's a local SoCal guy - I think he's on here as BadMoonKid or something.

I gave you firsthand anecdotal experience along with the charge temperatures I observed as well as relative response. I drive the same route at the same time every day in about the same traffic, so the dataset is consistent. Not to mention I gave you my honest opinion.
While only the Injen intake is listed on my site, as soon as more options stateside hit the market become available, I'll offer them. If it was trash talking, it would be a different story, but he had valid points.

2. High horse. Yeah. Funny thing about that. a) Your tone sets mine. b) In case you haven't noticed, I am a mod for a reason. The purpose of a moderator is to moderate discussion. I don't have a problem with you making a point about liking or disliking a product. The thing he commented on did indeed look like the finished product still needed a good bit of work and indeed the hardware appeared to be right out of Home depot.

About the intakes on the market. All of these don't seal up the air box and will suffer about the same degree of heat soak, which in my experience, using an intake with a basic heat shield, intake air temps went up slightly but not much and freeway operation temps actually got 2 degrees closer to ambient air temp than stock.

Oh snap, read this very carefully until you get it into your head... I doubt you can back anything you said with any independent data.

Injen runs the tests on someone else's car and you think that's independent data..

"I gave you firsthand anecdotal experience"
wow hardly scientific is it. earlier you wanted a more scientific approach to j2's testing, but now you want me to accept first hand anecdotal experience... lol

re: "2. a) Your tone sets mine."

heres iso's comment: "Any idea if these are sold in the US?"

this is you: "Looks a bit half-assed"

Immediately on the attack.

same with my 1st post all I said was {{heres another option for you}}.

Now explain this to me like I'm a 5 year old. how did my comment, set your tone??

You looked for an augment and you got one, now you want to throw your hands up and play innocent. even your fellow mods think your comments were uncalled for.

In pm from one of your mods "To respond to your question, I'm 100% in agreement with you that ModBargains should have not discounted another company's product base on lack of dyno."

"The purpose of a moderator is to moderate discussion." a mod and sponsor. bit of a conflict of interest, clearly trying to mod the discussion towards your products.

 

[BlueBomber]

Oh snap, read this very carefully until you get it into your head... I doubt you can back anything you said with any independent data.

Injen runs the tests on someone else's car and you think that's independent data..

"I gave you firsthand anecdotal experience"
wow hardly scientific is it. earlier you wanted a more scientific approach to j2's testing, but now you want me to accept first hand anecdotal experience... lol

re: "2. a) Your tone sets mine."

heres iso's comment: "Any idea if these are sold in the US?"

this is you: "Looks a bit half-assed"

Immediately on the attack.

same with my 1st post all I said was {{heres another option for you}}.

Now explain this to me like I'm a 5 year old. how did my comment, set your tone??

You looked for an augment and you got one, now you want to throw your hands up and play innocent. even your fellow mods think your comments were uncalled for.

In pm from one of your mods "To respond to your question, I'm 100% in agreement with you that ModBargains should have not discounted another company's product base on lack of dyno."

"The purpose of a moderator is to moderate discussion." a mod and sponsor. bit of a conflict of interest, clearly trying to mod the discussion towards your products.

Just so we are clear, I am not the person manning "ModBargains" and I do no sales here.
I write reviews, tech content, take pictures and enjoy the hell out of my car. I even produce how-to videos for Cobb on the side.

You are blending conversations with another person. I am not Jurrian and Jurrian is not me, dude.
The name is Nick, Fiesta ST enthusiast. The guy who goes to every friggin Ford event for these damn cars?

Consider, if I didn't say that I worked at ModBargains, and someone found out I did? It would look like I was trying to cover that up or be dishonest about it. Full disclosure. Yeah, I work there, but
I got on here before I started working at ModBargains and I am a Fiesta ST enthusiast first - get that straight now.

I got called here because you're causing problems and actually yeah, you have been picking an argument with ME specifically - when you're trying to argue at ModBargains, who again, is not me.
I am here to MODERATE the conflict between you and ModBargains, who again, is also not me.

DID I ATTACK YOU?
NO.

Now I'll ask you nicely ONE MORE TIME to mellow out.

1. Scientific Method. Google what that is and get back to me. Remind me again where you got your PHd? As the son of the head of the HS science department, I've had The Scientific Method hammered into my head since before I was in kindergarten, and I stand by what I said - There are more variables to what sort of temperatures you'd see running say, an Injen or FSwerks intake vs the hose Joe was testing the way it was being done and the control wasn't done with a stock FiST. Doing it the proper scientific way and documenting everything and isolating your variables fully would take a really long time to set up and do.
By the way, I make no secret that I like Joe's stuff and plan to buy some bits from him myself... Again, I don't get anything off of commission or sales - I get paid to show up and write stuff and put things on the internet, but selling is not part of my job. As someone who has been in the business of merchandising aftermarket parts for a few years now, I have to be impartial and consider everything apples to apples against one another.

Firsthand observation is worth quite a bit in terms of gravitas on forums and through the rest of your life - ever used Yelp to find a restaurant? Your decision to dine there is based off their firsthand, anecdotal observation of their experience there. It's the same principle, except instead of which flavor French Macaron bakery I like the taste of best, we're talking about car parts.

2. No, I haven't seen anyone sell one in the USA, import would be hideously expensive. I evaluated that intake and considered it, and reckoned that the cost would be too high to even bother offering it, not to mention the logistics of getting a product from a niche company across the Atlantic.

 

[myrightfoot]

Just so we are clear, I am not the person manning "ModBargains" and I do no sales here.
I write reviews, tech content, take pictures and enjoy the hell out of my car. I even produce how-to videos for Cobb on the side.

You are blending conversations with another person. I am not Jurrian and Jurrian is not me, dude.
The name is Nick, Fiesta ST enthusiast. The guy who goes to every friggin Ford event for these damn cars?

Consider, if I didn't say that I worked at ModBargains, and someone found out I did? It would look like I was trying to cover that up or be dishonest about it. Full disclosure. Yeah, I work there, but
I got on here before I started working at ModBargains and I am a Fiesta ST enthusiast first - get that straight now.

I got called here because you're causing problems and actually yeah, you have been picking an argument with ME specifically - when you're trying to argue at ModBargains, who again, is not me.
I am here to MODERATE the conflict between you and ModBargains, who again, is also not me.

DID I ATTACK YOU?
NO.

Now I'll ask you nicely ONE MORE TIME to mellow out.

1. Scientific Method. Google what that is and get back to me. Remind me again where you got your PHd? As the son of the head of the HS science department, I've had The Scientific Method hammered into my head since before I was in kindergarten, and I stand by what I said - There are more variables to what sort of temperatures you'd see running say, an Injen or FSwerks intake vs the hose Joe was testing the way it was being done and the control wasn't done with a stock FiST. Doing it the proper scientific way and documenting everything and isolating your variables fully would take a really long time to set up and do.
By the way, I make no secret that I like Joe's stuff and plan to buy some bits from him myself... Again, I don't get anything off of commission or sales - I get paid to show up and write stuff and put things on the internet, but selling is not part of my job. As someone who has been in the business of merchandising aftermarket parts for a few years now, I have to be impartial and consider everything apples to apples against one another.

Firsthand observation is worth quite a bit in terms of gravitas on forums and through the rest of your life - ever used Yelp to find a restaurant? Your decision to dine there is based off their firsthand, anecdotal observation of their experience there. It's the same principle, except instead of which flavor French Macaron bakery I like the taste of best, we're talking about car parts.

2. No, I haven't seen anyone sell one in the USA, import would be hideously expensive. I evaluated that intake and considered it, and reckoned that the cost would be too high to even bother offering it, not to mention the logistics of getting a product from a niche company across the Atlantic.

hahahhaahaha. face palm. thought I was having fun with modbargains, I was reading on my cell phone, so I will apologise.
I saw the "independent" dyno sheet - independent only because injen used someone else car... LMAO
So some content in my post does not refer to you.

but this comment was quite funny.
"son of the head of the HS science department" So that makes you an expert on science because yo daddy was a science teacher, "I can do science me"... lol
"Doing it the proper scientific way and documenting everything and isolating your variables fully would take a really long time to set up and do."
And then you fall back on using anecdotal observation's you made, as an argument on why, you should be taken seriously...
then whats makes it even funnier is this - "Nearly every intake option for these cars - even hacking out the bottom of your airbox - has a dyno sheet somewhere." - I'm sure you been a son of a science teacher will see the irony in your comments. if you don't get it, those tests were on different days on different cars in different conditions, also likely that they were on cars with different tunes and different hardware mods. if you still don't understand then I'm sure your dad will help you out.

 

[Harvick]

myrightfoot, really man you need to get over it. No one wants to read your babbling thats clogging up this thread.

 

[myrightfoot]

myrightfoot, really man you need to get over it. No one wants to read your babbling thats clogging up this thread.

well you know what you can do then. don't read my posts.