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Tuners needed

Stkid93

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Hey fellas,

I want to preface this by saying I have emailed my tuner a few times and asked him to call me regarding this issue and haven’t heard back yet. So I’m asking you guys. I know this is a very long post but there’s a ton of important information.

you may have seen some of my other posts as I’ve been trying to narrow down these little issues I’ve been having since installing a whoosh bov adapter. I think the problem is the adapter itself. i think it wasn’t machined perfectly and Is causing a small vacuum leak.

every since the install the car has off with the noises, not venting air when it should. Venting air when it shouldn’t, etc.

But more importantly, my fuel trims have been super wacky ever since the install. First the long term fuel trims got stuck at 9.38% and wouldn’t adjust. Then I reset the learning and now the ltft is adjusting. But it’s going as high as almost 13%. I’ll be sitting at idle and my long term trims will be 12.5 and the stft will be anywhere from 0-10% and have gone into the negatives too like it can’t figure out where it wants to be. (Please note the long term trim at idle isn’t as bad as it sounds as I’m running an extra 8% ethanol. So even under normal circumstances it would be at 6/7%.

However normally the long term trims would start off around 6% and would go up towards 8-9% as I gave more throttle, as when the demand for more fuel went up, the extra ethanol started having a bigger and bigger effect. but now after the install, the long term trim starts higher (12%) and goes lower as the throttle increases. Telling me that at idle, the vacuum leak has a large effect on the fuel trims, but as more air enters the engine, the effect of the leak lessens.

Before the install Usually I would sit between positive 5% up to about 8/9% on the long term fuel trims. ( this is because I’m tuned for e30 but typically use about an e37 mix for a little extra safety ) if I put in the correct mixture the fuel trims would be more towards 0%.
 


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@Jabbit

You know it’s funny I’ve pro tuned every car I’ve ever owned by I’ve been told a tune with revisions is basically pointless on these cars.i couldn’t believe it but after learning I found that dizzy, stratified and others only offer flash tunes. The only person I’ve found that offers a real tune with revisions for the fists would be tune+.

So that made me think the flash tune theory may be true
 


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If you are stock turbo, I will agree that revisions are pointless. The tuners all use their boxed flash that is known to work with these cars. The ECU's have enough closed loop adjustability to make up for the variation in these cars. If the car isn't running right with a tune from any of the reputable tuners then its a vehicle issue. Broken parts, seals, bad fuel.

The joke about putting away the Accessport is based on real stereotypes. If you don't have Engine control theory knowledge you shouldn't be worrying about the data you are seeing. Being a tuner for other platforms, and seeing the prices the FIST community charges for a Flash. I can tell you that you aren't paying them enough for them to worry about physical/mechanical problems that aren't related to their tune.


With all that out in the open, did you have your flash tune before your BOV plate addition? It sounds like you have already figured out your issue. Not hitting boost levels that were previously attainable would also verify that you have a vacuum/boost leak. It sounds like the Fuel Trims are working as intended with your car. Since our cars, and the tuners in our community don't circumvent knock control you don't need to worry about "added" safety of having a higher ethanol (octane level) content. MBT is pretty easily hit on stock turb setups with as little as e20 from what i've seen.
 


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Hey fellas,

I want to preface this by saying I have emailed my tuner a few times and asked him to call me regarding this issue and haven’t heard back yet. So I’m asking you guys. I know this is a very long post but there’s a ton of important information.

you may have seen some of my other posts as I’ve been trying to narrow down these little issues I’ve been having since installing a whoosh bov adapter. I think the problem is the adapter itself. i think it wasn’t machined perfectly and Is causing a small vacuum leak.

every since the install the car has off with the noises, not venting air when it should. Venting air when it shouldn’t, etc.

But more importantly, my fuel trims have been super wacky ever since the install. First the long term fuel trims got stuck at 9.38% and wouldn’t adjust. Then I reset the learning and now the ltft is adjusting. But it’s going as high as almost 13%. I’ll be sitting at idle and my long term trims will be 12.5 and the stft will be anywhere from 0-10% and have gone into the negatives too like it can’t figure out where it wants to be. (Please note the long term trim at idle isn’t as bad as it sounds as I’m running an extra 8% ethanol. So even under normal circumstances it would be at 6/7%.

However normally the long term trims would start off around 6% and would go up towards 8-9% as I gave more throttle, as when the demand for more fuel went up, the extra ethanol started having a bigger and bigger effect. but now after the install, the long term trim starts higher (12%) and goes lower as the throttle increases. Telling me that at idle, the vacuum leak has a large effect on the fuel trims, but as more air enters the engine, the effect of the leak lessens.

Before the install Usually I would sit between positive 5% up to about 8/9% on the long term fuel trims. ( this is because I’m tuned for e30 but typically use about an e37 mix for a little extra safety ) if I put in the correct mixture the fuel trims would be more towards 0%.
first step in engineering/science: control your variables. you're not only introducing a BOV adapter that may or may not be working, you're also putting e37 in your car when your tune calls for e30. asking for help with your numbers when you haven't corrected those two variables is just asking us to guess.

also as @Jabbit said, if you didn't pay for a pro tune, you got an off the shelf tune. some tuners here are really nice and will try to help you out when you've done things they told you not to do with the tune (dizzy has a whole spreadsheet of what he suggests and doesn't suggest for each of his tunes). but asking a tuner to *call you* is a tall order if what you bought was a flash tune. not sure what you ordered though since you don't say which tune you went with. (dizzy? tune+? tunewerks? pwnall? stratify?)
 


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If you are stock turbo, I will agree that revisions are pointless. The tuners all use their boxed flash that is known to work with these cars. The ECU's have enough closed loop adjustability to make up for the variation in these cars. If the car isn't running right with a tune from any of the reputable tuners then its a vehicle issue. Broken parts, seals, bad fuel.

The joke about putting away the Accessport is based on real stereotypes. If you don't have Engine control theory knowledge you shouldn't be worrying about the data you are seeing. Being a tuner for other platforms, and seeing the prices the FIST community charges for a Flash. I can tell you that you aren't paying them enough for them to worry about physical/mechanical problems that aren't related to their tune.


With all that out in the open, did you have your flash tune before your BOV plate addition? It sounds like you have already figured out your issue. Not hitting boost levels that were previously attainable would also verify that you have a vacuum/boost leak. It sounds like the Fuel Trims are working as intended with your car. Since our cars, and the tuners in our community don't circumvent knock control you don't need to worry about "added" safety of having a higher ethanol (octane level) content. MBT is pretty easily hit on stock turbo setups with as little as e20 from what i've seen.
Why Not @78kingcobra Contact Westley....Very knowledgeable about our platform and is utilizing new software to tune Stock Turbskys
 


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