My apologies for not acknowledging that you are in fact agreeing with most of my points. If you're disagreeing about my assumptions about Ron and Whoosh, that's totally fair. But in my defense, I'm just drawing logical conclusions with the spartan info we have on this kit. And this lack of information - whose fault is that? If i were a reseller trying to sell a cheaper alternative to a part that LIVES depended on, I'd provide MUCH more info. At the very least, not be dismissive when asked about it.
Let's go point by point here:
1. ISO 9001 includes QC. Here is an excerpt from one of the members that provide certification. I found MANY other sites that speak to ISO including quality control.
ISO 9001 Quality Management System | ISO Certification | ISO Quality Services Ltd (isoqsltd.com)
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Standardizing manufacturing and holding it to a higher standard is obviously a form of quality control. That's not debatable. ISO is the big deal it is because it helps ensure that whatever is being built is held to a higher standard.
2. Rota or any wheel can break under the right circumstances. No wheel is invincible. Nor is any standardization infallible. But not having ANY certification at all for a BBK is way outside my comfort zone.
3. I run Pierce stuff. I wouldn't care if PM was ISO certified. If any of it were to fail, i would still be able to stop my car. It's not risking my life if my strut tower brace snaps. We are debating a very specific product. Not a good example.
4. MR is the better example. Obviously, ISO is not the end all, be all in my decision-making process. I was very clear on the fact that the 100s of good reviews influenced my decision. There aren't any good reviews for TEI. AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S ALL CONJECTURE. But it's my life, I have a right to err on the side of caution. And i urge others to do the same and i'm wrong for that? Unless there is a trove of 100s of reviews on this BBK somewhere i haven't found, ~10 people on this forum running them for what, a year or so, is nowhere near enough to place my trust in this product.
Especially when the seller is being SO opaque. Jared, from MR, was on the site almost daily answering questions and explaining anything and everything we threw at him. Remember? If that were the case for this BBK, my comments would be different. But he is indifferent and that is unacceptable. Be indifferent about an intake, not brakes.
5. And no. Not just any company can get an ISO certification. It's a fairly rigorous inspection. It's not the joke that a DOT sticker on a motorcycle helmet is. It's more accurate to say any company can PAY for the inspection, but it doesn't mean they will pass. We can go all day about ISO but the real issue is this is a no name, mystery BBK. I'm only saying ISO would help since we don't have
any other source of info.
6. I believe you when you say there are US air force suppliers without certs...but the gov't, any gov't, isn't exactly the best example here lol. Tons of things are sold without a cert of any kind. And we all buy them all the time. But again, these are brakes gentleman not a shift knob.
You both continue to comment on my conjecture, but I've repeatedly admitted that it IS conjecture. I knowwww. And you're assuming the opposite of what i'm assuming. Also conjecture. That's all it is. I wish Ron would speak in more detail about the kit but that hasn't happened as of yet. But they ARE extremely uniform and perfectly precise lol.
Agreed. But it does help get a product closer to reliable, repeatable results and I want my brakes to repeatedly stop
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