I would not so dismissive of this YouTuber. He does have biases towards Japanese cars, but so what. If you watch his video reviews and comparisons you’ll notice that he is an enthusiast and seems to know how to drive a car on a canyon and the track. He’s also driven more desirable cars (Porsche 911, R8, NSX) than I could hope to ever drive. I like his philosophy of dual usage of street and track cars. Regardless of a particular car. Look at his review of the FRS/BRZ vs S2000 vs. Miata. These are cars that I’m sure I would enjoy as much as my car. And he drives them harder than I would. He definitely has more track experience than me. So I would not take his opinions with a grain of salt. He is not a big YouTuber so he probably has to wait in the back of the line. But I give him more credence than a YouTuber that giggles going down a straight road talking about infotainment systems. By the way he’s reading the numbers of the website and 10k is a lot if you want a limited slip and good brakes. Just saying. I know these cars are a soft spot for you, but you did go through the trouble of adding a limited slip to your car. You do have an excellent M3. No journalist can dispute that. And from the reviews (including his) , the new FRS/BRZ are great values and excellent performers. Maybe you are looking for something different like a GT car. No worries. I’m a car enthusiast first and don’t have allegiances to any brand. That’s why I’m skeptical of all the hype in this car. But numbers matter. For some it’s the horsepower for me it’s the weight/size. Which is why I’m driving the FIST and not the Focus RS.
I am a car enthusiast , I have driven and owned lots of other cars than what I currently have. I do not give him credence because he is reading info then passing judgement.
As far the 10k goes it’s not just the limited slip and brakes which he seems to be so hung up on . You are also getting Rays forged aluminum wheels that are lighter than the base 18’s. Do you even know how much a set of forged Volk/Rays cost. For nineteens that would easily cost a person 3-4k in the aftermarket. There is also the larger screen, rev match shifting, The rear wing so ya he missed a few things in what you get for that extra 10k . In fact most reviewers have sat there and said for the 10k extra Nissan gives you your money’s worth.
Truth is no one is completely happy price wise as it jumped by 5k but given current inflation it’s not really surprising.
As for your automatic assumption it’s a GT car well that is your assumption you seem to assume a lot without even driving the car.
Oh and do not blame on my previous ownership of Datsuns and Nissans as much as I have loved the company I have criticized a lot of theirs cars in the past. I criticized 280z’s I criticized 280zx’s, I criticized 300zx‘ prior to the z32 while I showed respect for that car I criticized it compared to a 240sx S13 which wiped the floor with it in Japan as the 180sx. There was a reason Nissan did not stick the C18DET or SR20DET in the car stateside. Nissan has made plenty of mistakes car wise I do not see this car as one of them as he so proudly tries to proclaim without even having driven one. Ya I am and have been a car enthusiast to the point of being in the car business besides the music business over the course of my whole adult life. I did not start and run a Japanese engine and transmission business selling SSS Datsun engines , FJ20DETs , Toyota 2TG’s in the early 80’s as well as building and selling drift cars in the 90’s because ahem car enthusiasm.
Ya you called me out on it so I rolled it.
Oh and for the record Nissan has history of making cars perform way beyond what they should be capable of based off just weight which here you are hung up on. They did that with the GTR in 2009 much to the shock of the Automotive world . It did well for a long time but of course Ghosn and Renault started shifting the company away from sports orientation and let the car languish . So ya The story is not in when someone does not drive the car but just reads stats like he did.
That was a extremely long winded boring video for that very reason he read stats and had a discussion of stats not even track proven stats just basic stats. Ya it fails hard he fails hard and if you base your decisions on that…. well ya just go test drive one when they hit the showroom floor if you were even considering one in the first place .
I leave my final opinion open till I drive one but ya if you watch the SavageGeese vid where they actually drive the car and test drive it on the track.
Oh and ya I would buy the Performance version for the sake of the parts and ya Supra is ugly IMO, GR86 is cool , Z still looks nicer and if it delivers like the SavageGeese review shows then it’s a winner .
I get it if you really can’t afford a 50k car though. Then go buy the GR86. I did not buy my FiST because it was cheap I bought because it was great. If I could not afford the Z I would not even be engaging you in this convo.
So we can agree to disagree.
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