Is Cobb selling us out?

[Old Mike Emerson]

Green Speed Update (April 2022) - COBB Tuning Second article Any thoughts folks? : FiestaST (reddit.com)

 

[akiraproject24]

I should have moved more quickly in having my hybrid installed, base mapped and datalogged. Not gonna start the doom and gloom yet but this probably will suck.

Will wait to see what tuners are saying.

* checked subbie forums. Doesnt sound good there.

 

[FiestaSTdude]

Why would they do that? Is it no longer profitable?

 

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[ranger024x4]

damn, i was planning on going s280 but guess im keeping it as-is now.

 

[akiraproject24]

I mean they just did cause they're big meanies! Fixed it

 

[Jabbit]

It isn't that big if a deal on our platform and a minor inconvenience on others.

 

[Woods247]

Man they’re blocking the old software versions of Access Tuner as well. That’s super dick. Seems like they’re not making an exception for unregistered track cars either. There must be something else in the marketplace we can move to. I’ll miss the AP gauges but I still love a-pillar gauge pods so I guess there’s that option. 😂

 

[rcnut14]

so, it seems like basically cobb is getting fined by the EPA, as well as other tuning companies (I've heard rumors that even tuners themselves, but not sure)

seems like really the only thing that will change for us ford guys is anything that affects emissions, so I guess catless tunes? that's the only thing I can think of.

the Subie guys are really mad. I've never had a Subie, but I assume for whatever reason it affects them more than it does us. I've heard of 2 tuners now moving the ECUtek, never heard of them, but they are based in the UK so maybe they won't be forced to change stuff as fast as they cant be fined by the EPA?

seems like open source is the way to go now ( as it is with many things...)

 

[Mike King]

I just ordered my AP. Does this mean I need to return it before I even open it?

 

[Woods247]

I just ordered my AP. Does this mean I need to return it before I even open it?

Not if you keep your OEM CAT and don’t want e30.

Edit: That’s how I read it but I could be wrong. Read the article for yourself and make a decision based on your opinion.

 

[MagnetiseST]

The way I read the article was that you won't be able to bypass emissions systems on any car or run ethanol blends on certain cars. It seemed like they were specifically talking about the Nissan GTR & Subaru vehicles in regards to flex fuel, since they use an analog system to run it.

Analog Flex Fuel
Because current analog flex fuel systems impact some of the signal processing of the identified key sensor and DTC signals, we have removed both the analog Nissan and Subaru Flex Fuel feature sets.

Otherwise aside from no longer simply being able to bypass O2 codes or turn off the EVAP there should be no real change for the Fiesta / Focus tuning.

 

[akiraproject24]

The way I read the article was that you won't be able to bypass emissions systems on any car or run ethanol blends on certain cars. It seemed like they were specifically talking about the Nissan GTR & Subaru vehicles in regards to flex fuel, since they use an analog system to run it.



Otherwise aside from no longer simply being able to bypass O2 codes or turn off the EVAP there should be no real change for the Fiesta / Focus tuning.

Hopefully a defouler like Vibrant is still an option for DP upgrade. Otherwise I have a 630 dollar paperweight.

 

[LilPartyBox]

Hopefully a defouler like Vibrant is still an option for DP upgrade. Otherwise I have a 630 dollar paperweight.

Same here. Hi flo DP BNIB. Who will be the brave soul to try it post Cobb AP neuter?

 

[akiraproject24]

Was going to email tuner but going to let the dust settle and hopefully will get some input from some once they have a grasp on the changes. Crossing fingers this isn't going to cripple my plans and parts investments.

 

[akiraproject24]

Same here. Hi flo DP BNIB. Who will be the brave soul to try it post Cobb AP neuter?

May is supposed to be my install month on this stuff. Obviously I'll wait to hear what tuner says though and will share.

 

[MagnetiseST]

Hopefully a defouler like Vibrant is still an option for DP upgrade. Otherwise I have a 630 dollar paperweight.

Donwpipe upgrades on the stock turbo are already proven to be inefficient. Get a high flow catted downpipe if you are going with a hybrid / big turbo. There is no reason why a street driven vehicle shouldn't have an emissions system in place.

 

[akiraproject24]

Donwpipe upgrades on the stock turbo are already proven to be inefficient. Get a high flow catted downpipe if you are going with a hybrid / big turbo. There is no reason why a street driven vehicle shouldn't have an emissions system in place.

There's a whoosh hybrid as part of the package

 

[jmrtsus]

So as I read it they are making new tunes emission legal and discontinuing support of their illegal tunes. Was expected, like the Mountune MP-215 you will be locked out for making changes to keep it legal. The EPA gave notice about a year ago that "off road only" no longer applied to gas engine mods. It will come down to what Ford is already doing, selling legal tunes and parts. Maybe GM is also doing it. This is all fodder for the EPA saying "I'm sorry, please don't prosecute we will stop". After some of the massive diesel fines for the same thing I would think the largest seller of illegal tunes (I think) should be worried. It could also be part of a plea agreement, time will tell. The EPA said they were not coming for the consumer but were going after the tuners. The Cobb site is jacked making the changes. Says FiST Stage 1 is 50 states legal but links for Stage 2 do not work. I would say nice cars with illegal tunes just went up in value!

 

[Mikey456]

So as I read it they are making new tunes emission legal and discontinuing support of their illegal tunes. Was expected, like the Mountune MP-215 you will be locked out for making changes to keep it legal. The EPA gave notice about a year ago that "off road only" no longer applied to gas engine mods. It will come down to what Ford is already doing, selling legal tunes and parts. Maybe GM is also doing it. This is all fodder for the EPA saying "I'm sorry, please don't prosecute we will stop". After some of the massive diesel fines for the same thing I would think the largest seller of illegal tunes (I think) should be worried. It could also be part of a plea agreement, time will tell. The EPA said they were not coming for the consumer but were going after the tuners. The Cobb site is jacked making the changes. Says FiST Stage 1 is 50 states legal but links for Stage 2 do not work. I would say nice cars with illegal tunes just went up in value!

I’m not sure cars with “illegal” tunes went up in value when Cobb will not allow these folks to update their Accessport anymore.