Tend to view forum recommendations with a bit of skepticism, most people seem to try one thing, are happy with it, then go on the forum and sing its praises. Don't want to be that guy yet here I am, in my defense if you count factory fill, I have tried 3 things. IMO the Ravenol is good, really good, change the nature of the car good. The 2 others I have tried in addition to factory fill are Redline MT-LV and MTL, no contest, Ravenol hands down. The reason for the "vs" in the thread title is has anyone found anything better? Anyone tried the MTF-2 and gone on to something better or back to something else?