Turbo Technics S280

[Dpro]

I hope all that aggression wasn’t directed at me... I’m trying to spend once on a build as I already wasted thousands on the car when I bought it on stuff that didn’t net much. I could have spent half of what I spend and been playing with a hybrid/better turbo long ago. I guess you live and learn... plus modding is fun, and addicting.

With this, I’m just trying to find out what is needed with an S280 to max it out with 91/93 octane. Fully stock fuel system, or aux? I mean, the S280 is also great because if I wanted to get crazy later there’s room to grow with ethanol and all that. I’d like to find out what is needed to just get all the safe power it can put out on pump gas.

lol what is it with people around here.

You have a debate or discuss to bring out truth and facts and people start freaking out like your mad or something. LOL

No aggression just passion for truth and not seeing people make blind mistakes .

Its like your post above, you admit you bought stuff you did not need. People told me the same stuff I am saying when I got here, just to make sure I did not make those mistakes myself.

It easy to get caught up in buying bolt on mods that one does not need to do, just because they are there and it seems like the logical step at first.

I am just speaking from having learned and not wanting people to spend unnecessarily either for stuff that does not do much or stuff that goes beyond their goals.

Not aggression just their passion not to see others make those mistakes as well.
I did know stuff coming in but damn I got what they were saying just the same.

None of my posts were meant aggressively as much as they were just this desire to see people do stuff right and help out.

 

[jayrod1980]

Well I appreciate good advice. Your post was really forward about lessons on flow dynamics and all that. I wasn’t looking to champion manifolds or whatever... I just want to not make the same money mistakes twice.

My only point previously was that this turbo is fairly cheap to get into, but with all the fuel system and other parts, can get expensive fast. How about stock wastegate? Is it sufficient?

 

[Dpro]

Well I appreciate good advice. Your post was really forward about lessons on flow dynamics and all that. I wasn’t looking to champion manifolds or whatever... I just want to not make the same money mistakes twice.

My only point previously was that this turbo is fairly cheap to get into, but with all the fuel system and other parts, can get expensive fast. How about stock wastegate? Is it sufficient?

well that is a debate some run others upgrade.I am most likely getting the Peron kit because its got an upgraded wastedgate and blowoff valve. I added up how much it would be separate and its close to the same price with the Turbo Technics kit with a blowoff valve and wastegate added. So I figured why not Peron is a reputable company and their kit is nice and complete.
Ya the whole extrude honed thing kind triggers me I would say do not spend the money on it. Possible gains are not absolutely proven nor worth the cost in my opinion. Plus if it was really that great manufacturers of top end cars would do it. They don’t in fact Porsche for example builds high horsepower engines that have some very trick internals guess what they don’t do? Extrude hone their heads or Manifolds. That is just one example.
People like to argue if car makers did everything we would not have to mod our engines but that is kind of a strawman as some car makers do build built engines from the factories. Porsche being one Ferrari another and the list is big and long for high end cars. Hell the Nissan GTR VR38DETT is handbuilt and ya people push them more with bigger turbo’s but stock the engine is damn amazing a 575 HP 3.8 DOHC V6 that is daily drivable.

So ya I consider Extrude honing to be a hot rodders gimmick mode that sounds cool.

 

[M-Sport fan]

Except the Turbo's being discussed here are anywhere from $1400-2k( yes the Peron S284 kit is $1999) max. No one is talking about a 3k Turbo.

Actually for my application, even the most cost effective/cheap/bargain basement S280 setup WILL run me well in excess of $4K+, since I will not do this mod unless I have a limited slip diff in the car already, which will run me about $2K minimum right there, since I have neither the; tools, skills, or facilities to do that myself, like most others on here.

Of course you will claim that is NOT a 'necessary' mod to handle more power, but that is a real subjective opinion.
If I were only doing roll racing, or only looking to go top end on the highway, yes, not a requirement, but I gave that sort of shit up long long ago.

Also in that price stated above is the labor (before tuning costs) to install the S280 itself, since again, I have neither the tools, skills, or facilities to do that myself like most others on here.

Those of you out there with fully equipped garages (or the use of such at work/whatever), and lots of tech savvy, or mechanically skilled 'buds' around to help you out at the drop of a hat somehow just take for granted that everyone is fortunate enough have the exact same.

 

[Dpro]

Actually for my application, even the most cost effective/cheap/bargain basement S280 setup WILL run me well in excess of $4K+, since I will not do this mod unless I have a limited slip diff in the car already, which will run me about $2K minimum right there, since I have neither the; tools, skills, or facilities to do that myself, like most others on here.

Of course you will claim that is NOT a 'necessary' mod to handle more power, but that is a real subjective opinion.
If I were only doing roll racing, or only looking to go top end on the highway, yes, not a requirement, but I gave that sort of shit up long long ago.

Also in that price stated above is the labor (before tuning costs) to install the S280 itself, since again, I have neither the tools, skills, or facilities to do that myself like most others on here.

Those of you out there with fully equipped garages (or the use of such at work/whatever), and lots of tech savvy, or mechanically skilled 'buds' around to help you out at the drop of a hat somehow just take for granted that everyone is fortunate enough have the exact same.

No I get. Except yes I do consider the LSD which I plan on doing as a mod that is not directly tied to a Turbo upgrade in fact I would say if even someone was not gonna upgrade there Turbo I happen to think a LSD is an awesome mod even for stock cars.
I was gonna do my LSD first the only thing that made me decide otherwise was my car only has 12k on it so the clutch is still a relative virgin. I figured might as well toss the Turbo in torture the clutch and then when I get the trans dropped I will upgrade the clutch at the same time ST200 clutch is on the short list as well if I could find a 4:06 ST200 ring gear which no ones seems to bring in to the states for some strange reason instead they go lower.
Honestly you should be able to have a Turbo installed for around $550 thats what it is around here. Thats at Ant Tune in Orange county ( formerly Cobb SoCal) and they can dyno tune it for you as well on their dyno if you choose.
Though ya dropping in a Turbo is not that complicated any reputable mechanic thats good can do it. It should not be hard to find one that does performance stuff. Especially if you have Pro Rally stuff happening in your neck of the woods.

 

[MagnetiseST]

I think Dpro explained it pretty well. If you desire the donkey kick / tire shredding / mY tIrEz R sPiN / annoying whistle noises / the possibility of peaking 300whp down low, grab a hybrid.

If you want room to grow / smooth power delivery / a turbo capable of maxing the fuel system before it maxes itself out / fun to drive without being a tire destroyer, get the S280.

Also IMO the MRX is garbage.

Also the cars that have made 300 +/- whp on stock fuel systems were pushing the limits of whats safe. Keeping it safe enough to have room for error in the tune you'll see 260-280 depending on ambient temps. I go from making 270whp to 310whp in south Florida with 90* ambient temps by using meth, that was a noticeable change.

Also I don't have an LSD and wish I did lol

 

[wetwea33]

Welp i haven't diagnosed it yet but there is a very good chance my head gasket blew this morning. Car has been idling a little rough lately. Overheated pretty bad on the way to work and i limped it there. Is leaking coolant but havent go under the car to tell where yet.

 

[MattM]

Welp i haven't diagnosed it yet but there is a very good chance my head gasket blew this morning. Car has been idling a little rough lately. Overheated pretty bad on the way to work and i limped it there. Is leaking coolant but havent go under the car to tell where yet.

Stock radiator? My mazda3 has a blown head gasket at one point. Sucks to here man.

 

[PhoenixM3]

Welp i haven't diagnosed it yet but there is a very good chance my head gasket blew this morning. Car has been idling a little rough lately. Overheated pretty bad on the way to work and i limped it there. Is leaking coolant but havent go under the car to tell where yet.

Sorry to hear that. How much boost was dialed in after your final tune? 34psi?

 

[M-Sport fan]

Honestly you should be able to have a turbo installed for around $550 that's what it is around here. That's at Ant Tune in Orange county ( formerly Cobb SoCal) and they can dyno tune it for you as well on their dyno if you choose.
Though ya dropping in a Turbo is not that complicated any reputable mechanic that's good can do it. It should not be hard to find one that does performance stuff. Especially if you have Pro Rally stuff happening in your neck of the woods.

Mitch @ CP-E quoted me ~$650.00 before tuning for the S280 install, but, he said that they are on a 'permanent hold' as far as installs/labor goes for the foreseeable future, possibly even forever.
(There goes my diff install as well. )

The local import tuner (RT Tuning) quoted me almost $1K for the same install, and they said that they would not even attempt to do any tuning on it (99.999% a 'duh, Scoobie, GTR, etc. type place).
(The hot hatch/import tuner scene is not 1/1000th here what it is in SoCal, and other 'hotbed' areas. )

There's at least a chance they know what they're doing though, at least as far as the install goes, because the day I had them mount the Neo Gens on the Dekas for me, there was a FiST there getting an S280 installed (someone on the other FiST forums I guess??)

There really are not any rally prep shops around here, save for *Broken Motorsports* in Jersey City, 2+ hours away (Team O'Neil is totally out of the prep/repair game, and McKenna Motorsports only does work on his own, and his customers' M-Sport built cars).


*But with a name like that, would you trust them?!? LOL j/k

 

[jayrod1980]

Adam at Tune Plus does a decent tutorial on the S280 install. I already pulled my stick wastegate actuator to put in a Tune+ one right around the time I did my first oil change on a car, so it doesn’t look too bad. I’ve done the crash bar, intercooler, radiator, bypass valve (multiple times) and taken off the stupid heat shield three times so the turbo doesn’t look too hard. I feel pretty confident I won’t have too much of an issue installing the turbo myself.

The transmission however, hell no. Thanks to Ron@Whoosh for name dropping me a ford transmission guy. My mod right after the turbo WILL be an LSD. Adam at Tune Plus says that I will not need any Aux, injectors, or fuel pump to start if I’m not going with an ethanol tune. I’ll stay pump gas to start. I already have a DV+ and (now broken) Turbosmart Kompact EM plumb back... so I’ll just stick with the DV+ for now and probably get the kit through either Adam or Ron. Going with Adam nets me his custom TS actuator for about $100 over normal.

I appreciate all the advice, and happy I won’t need to fork over $1500 for a manifold I won’t need. Whether I get stationed next in an area with easier access to ethanol will determine whether I mod further, but I’m sure I’ll love the linear power delivery and top end of the S280.

I just need to find some good stock sized lighter wheels now and replace my Firestone Indy’s along with some type of shock and strut choice and I should be set for my needs. I already have the mountune radiator, BA intercooler, decent bypass valve, IC pipes, and Gold Coast brake upgrades.

 

[Jason@dizzytuning]

The local import tuner (RT Tuning) quoted me almost $1K for the same install, and they said that they would not even attempt to do any tuning on it (99.999% a 'duh, Scoobie, GTR, etc. type place).
(The hot hatch/import tuner scene is not 1/1000th here what it is in SoCal, and other 'hotbed' areas. )

There's at least a chance they know what they're doing though, at least as far as the install goes, because the day I had them mount the Neo Gens on the Dekas for me, there was a FiST there getting an S280 installed (someone on the other FiST forums I guess??)

There really are not any rally prep shops around here, save for *Broken Motorsports* in Jersey City, 2+ hours away (Team O'Neil is totally out of the prep/repair game, and McKenna Motorsports only does work on his own, and his customers' M-Sport built cars).


*But with a name like that, would you trust them?!? LOL j/k

Yea, and they did the install wrong.
Ask me how I know, lol.

 

[wetwea33]

Stock radiator? My mazda3 has a blown head gasket at one point. Sucks to here man.

Stock radiator but the overheating is from the headgasket (or possibly a cylinder wall and headgasket) going. Im hoping to pull the head tomorrow and inspecting the damage. If the cylinder wall is cracked there is a possibility this might be the end of the fiesta for me. final tune was 33-34psi but this car has been beat the piss out of since day 1. Had a hybrid turbo at 15K miles and the s280 at ~24k. Car has right under 30K now.

 

[M-Sport fan]

Yea, and they did the install wrong.
Ask me how I know, lol.

OK, THANK YOU for informing me of this!!

At this point, if I ever decide to go the S280 route (or any snail upgrade), I am thinking of driving out there, dropping the car off to you and letting you do the install/FULL tune, renting a car for the duration, and visiting my old stomping grounds in Montauk (from another life LOL ).

But, wetwea33's problems above have me seriously doubting the (even 'reasonable') bigger power path.
Yes, I know there are many hundreds, probably thousands who have these kits on their cars with no problems for long terms, and that he is the exception to the 'rule'.

But this is my ONLY car, and I cannot just jump into something else, or buy/lease another ride like everyone else seems to be able to do on a split second's notice.
I am starting to think about just throwing a strong tune at it, and be done with the engine side of things, and concentrating on the suspension, diff, brakes, shedding weight (mine and the car's) , and maybe seats.

 

[MattM]

Stock radiator but the overheating is from the headgasket (or possibly a cylinder wall and headgasket) going. Im hoping to pull the head tomorrow and inspecting the damage. If the cylinder wall is cracked there is a possibility this might be the end of the fiesta for me. final tune was 33-34psi but this car has been beat the piss out of since day 1. Had a hybrid turbo at 15K miles and the s280 at ~24k. Car has right under 30K now.

Damn. I was hoping if anything you’d go with a built motor, but I understand why not as that is a ton of money. Reason I asked about the radiator is because I know headgaskets can be damaged as a result of overheating.

 

[gtx3076]

OK, THANK YOU for informing me of this!!

At this point, if I ever decide to go the S280 route (or any snail upgrade), I am thinking of driving out there, dropping the car off to you and letting you do the install/FULL tune, renting a car for the duration, and visiting my old stomping grounds in Montauk (from another life LOL ).

But, wetwea33's problems above have me seriously doubting the (even 'reasonable') bigger power path.
Yes, I know there are many hundreds, probably thousands who have these kits on their cars with no problems for long terms, and that he is the exception to the 'rule'.

But this is my ONLY car, and I cannot just jump into something else, or buy/lease another ride like everyone else seems to be able to do on a split second's notice.
I am starting to think about just throwing a strong tune at it, and be done with the engine side of things, and concentrating on the suspension, brakes, shedding weight (mine and the car's) , and maybe seats.

Just run a more conservative tune. If it's your daily you want a nice safe buffer. I'd even say it's worth doing a compression test and leak down test before a turbo install. An old buddy used to say "maintenance before mods".

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[Dspeidel]

Mitch @ CP-E quoted me ~$650.00 before tuning for the S280 install, but, he said that they are on a 'permanent hold' as far as installs/labor goes for the foreseeable future, possibly even forever.
(There goes my diff install as well. )

The local import tuner (RT Tuning) quoted me almost $1K for the same install, and they said that they would not even attempt to do any tuning on it (99.999% a 'duh, Scoobie, GTR, etc. type place).
(The hot hatch/import tuner scene is not 1/1000th here what it is in SoCal, and other 'hotbed' areas. )

There's at least a chance they know what they're doing though, at least as far as the install goes, because the day I had them mount the Neo Gens on the Dekas for me, there was a FiST there getting an S280 installed (someone on the other FiST forums I guess??)

There really are not any rally prep shops around here, save for *Broken Motorsports* in Jersey City, 2+ hours away (Team O'Neil is totally out of the prep/repair game, and McKenna Motorsports only does work on his own, and his customers' M-Sport built cars).


*But with a name like that, would you trust them?!? LOL j/k

@ Dizzy as well, this was me. They did the install wrong, was an annoying process they couldn't figure out. Luckily, Jason helped me through it and all is well now! But yea the install was pricey, but I thought they would do a good job since it's a reputable shop. Maybe for other makes, but not the ST models.

 

[M-Sport fan]

@ Dizzy as well, this was me. They did the install wrong, was an annoying process they couldn't figure out. Luckily, Jason helped me through it and all is well now! But yea the install was pricey, but I thought they would do a good job since it's a reputable shop. Maybe for other makes, but not the ST models.

Yeah, now I am not so sure that I would even trust them for a performance alignment anymore!

 

[jayrod1980]

Stock radiator but the overheating is from the headgasket (or possibly a cylinder wall and headgasket) going. Im hoping to pull the head tomorrow and inspecting the damage. If the cylinder wall is cracked there is a possibility this might be the end of the fiesta for me. final tune was 33-34psi but this car has been beat the piss out of since day 1. Had a hybrid turbo at 15K miles and the s280 at ~24k. Car has right under 30K now.

What year is your car? I’ve heard that 2014-2015 cars have had head gasket issues with or without turbo upgrades... but seems any car could have issues with a turbo pumping air in at 35 psi. Since I’ll likely be sticking to a more conservative pump gas tune, 270-280 whp shouldn’t be too hard on the car. I’m currently sitting at 67k miles and haven’t had many issues other than the terrible stock radiator. I’m sure the issue was exacerbated by my massive DHM IC blocking airflow, but 110-115F summer Vegas temps probably didn’t help either.

The car has never been beat on, but I replaced the radiator literally as soon as the Mountune one was released. I never even go WOT until coolant is up to 185 degrees and oil temps show at least 170 degrees.

 

[M-Sport fan]

I’m sure the issue was exacerbated by my massive DHM IC blocking airflow

WHY I am very doubtful of all of the HUGE, FULLY radiator blocking intercoolers out there (even with 'the best' aftermarket radiator in the universe installed), and would only ever go to one if the tuner for a given setup claimed that it was an 'absolute necessity' for him to even get the tune correct.
I'd rather lose a few ponies to heat soak on repeated WOT pulls, than blow out a head gasket and warp a head.

And I am not even in a ridiculously hot area.