I live in hot year round S.Fl. Im looking to put my 2014 Fist on a tune... Ill probably start witha cobb stage 1 93 octane tune, and go from there.... Maybe later bump it up with adding a stage 1 dizzy, or stratified tune or a cobb OTS stage 2 once I get bored with stage 1..Id like to upgrade the intercooler with the inital tune to keep the inlet temps down in my climate, with out of course, paying more then I need to.... and with out noticeably increasing turbo lag with the increased intercooler core volume... Depo racing, Woosh motor sports, mishimoto all have resonably priced intercooloers. assuming the downpipe and exhaust remains stock, how well do they dump heat? is the lag noticeable and are which one would work best with inital tune and possible "stage"increases?
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modestly priced intercoolers?
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In my opinion, the Whoosh V3 is the best bang for your buck, especially if you think you're gonna go big/hybrid turbo (cause it will support it, otherwise go with the V1) Boost lag stays the same and temps drop to about 5 degrees above ambient. The V3 FMIC works on a Dizzy stage 2. The only other I would consider is the Bravo Alpha (also on Whoosh's site) and is the biggest Intercooler you can fit without major changes to the crash bar and fitment area. The intercooler, a RMM (Whoosh is also great), some colder plugs, and E30 will pretty much max out the stock turbo.
To the op, I've always wanted my car to have more headroom in case I decided to upgrade further. I've always gone bigger than I needed, if it was too expensive I waited. With that being said, I'm almost certain whoosh, depo and cpe all use Garrett cores which are very good intercoolers. You'll get very miniscule differences in temps using these types of intercoolers. I installed whooshes v3 intercooler and saw 15 degrees difference in charge temps cruising 5 degrees under wot which made a huge difference, I was able to tune harder. What I would do is get a solid goal of your power level, research the forums, buy when your educated. This will give you the least buyers remorse.
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Thats why im asking. I do research the products I buy. Im not looking for "cheap".... Im looking for value. Ill pay more if it suits my needs better. Im not looking to win a bunch of drag races, just increase the fun to drive factor without killing reliability. Most entry level tunes dont require an intercooler upgrade, that may be all I think the car will ever need (probably not)... Im upgrading before I need to because I think it is worth the cost to minimize the increased wear and tear the additional heat levels will cause.
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I have been kicking the tires on an E30 tune that allows me to switch back to a 93 octane map when I want... other then locating E85 fuel and decreased fuel efficiency... what is the downside to an E30 tune? does it place more stress on the engine then 93 octane conventional fuel tune would? Basically... is running e30 going to blow my motor?
I was worried about that too, but the more I read, the better I felt. It doesn't sound like E30 puts a ton more stress on the car. Really, the stock turbo is limited in what it can boost, so boost levels are similar between the 91/93 tunes and the E30 tunes. Since you're mixing to get E30 instead of running pure E85, I understand that the fuel filter and injectors are able to handle it without any negative effects.
The hardest part is consistently finding E85 to fill up and to make sure that you've got the right mixture. I'm not sure if my gas mileage really dropped that hard from the fuel, or if it's just that I'm having a harder time keeping my foot out of it.
The hardest part is consistently finding E85 to fill up and to make sure that you've got the right mixture. I'm not sure if my gas mileage really dropped that hard from the fuel, or if it's just that I'm having a harder time keeping my foot out of it.
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Thanks... I have to do some more research. According to what I know now from my research, your gas mileage has actually dropped, Standard gasoline is hard to beat in power efficiency, its why we still use it as much as we do. I need to know how an E30 tune changes the maintenance requirements of the car. I can get the fuel just fine. Its not that big a deal to mix them. But if it makes more power, additional stress is placed somewhere. I want more power (of course), but not if its going to wreck a pretty fun car already because now it needs ___ oil viscosity and changes at ___ intervals that I'm ignorant to... etc. Power adders seem to never be a "free lunch" and always have some downside. So forgive my skepticism with E30. Has anyone ran this for awhile? what was your experience like? What do I need to monitor more closely?
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Thanks.... but Im not looking for cheap alibaba/ebay one offs. Maybe they are as good as the models that cost 2X as much... maybe not. Id rather go with the 2X as much model now, then learn I guessed wrong and then buy the 2x as much model I should have bought to begin with, and repair the issues the cheaper model has caused because I didn't...... Im looking for a reputable value, from a reputable manufacturer. I'd rather "buy once and cry once" like Typhoon Fist said... Just cry as little as possible for a modest needs.
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You sound like me from 6 months ago haha. I was doing all of that research too because I wasn't comfortable just pulling the trigger on E30.
My gas mileage probably has dropped, but it hasn't been significant. From here in SD, I generally use about 1/2 a tank driving to LA on 91. With E30, I'm probably burning an extra quarter tank on the same one-way trip. What works for me now is to use E30 whenever I'm around town but then switch back to normal 91 for any longer drives. With the different map slots on the same tune, that's very easy to do.
From what I read, E30 doesn't put additional stress or wear on the fuel pump, filter or injectors. The ECU is pretty good at determining your fuel mixture, so as long as you're close to E30, you're safe. I've read that you don't need to make any changes to your fuel system until you start running E50 mixtures.
In regards to more power, from what I understand, the stock turbo can only handle around ~25lbs which is reachable using 91/93 tunes. E30 helps to keep temps lower and reduce/prevent knock, so the ECU can increase timing. E30 doesn't necessarily mean more boost.
On my AP, I'm always watching boost levels, charge air temps, oil and coolant temps, and then corrections on cylinders 3 and 4. With E30, I've never seen positive correction. With these monitors always on, I feel pretty good about running E30 safely. I've been running it pretty consistently now for about 4ish months.
I don't think going bigger will have any adverse effects if you're going to stay with stage 1/2. It's just more than you need. You could get coilovers and corner balance them but it's overkill if all you're doing is getting groceries. It won't hurt, but there's really no need.
I haven't heard of any long term negative effects, but I'm only about 4 months into my experience with the corn juice. Car starts and drives exactly the same, just feels stronger on E30.
My gas mileage probably has dropped, but it hasn't been significant. From here in SD, I generally use about 1/2 a tank driving to LA on 91. With E30, I'm probably burning an extra quarter tank on the same one-way trip. What works for me now is to use E30 whenever I'm around town but then switch back to normal 91 for any longer drives. With the different map slots on the same tune, that's very easy to do.
From what I read, E30 doesn't put additional stress or wear on the fuel pump, filter or injectors. The ECU is pretty good at determining your fuel mixture, so as long as you're close to E30, you're safe. I've read that you don't need to make any changes to your fuel system until you start running E50 mixtures.
In regards to more power, from what I understand, the stock turbo can only handle around ~25lbs which is reachable using 91/93 tunes. E30 helps to keep temps lower and reduce/prevent knock, so the ECU can increase timing. E30 doesn't necessarily mean more boost.
On my AP, I'm always watching boost levels, charge air temps, oil and coolant temps, and then corrections on cylinders 3 and 4. With E30, I've never seen positive correction. With these monitors always on, I feel pretty good about running E30 safely. I've been running it pretty consistently now for about 4ish months.
I don't think going bigger will have any adverse effects if you're going to stay with stage 1/2. It's just more than you need. You could get coilovers and corner balance them but it's overkill if all you're doing is getting groceries. It won't hurt, but there's really no need.
I haven't heard of any long term negative effects, but I'm only about 4 months into my experience with the corn juice. Car starts and drives exactly the same, just feels stronger on E30.
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