Turbo Technics S280

[MagnetiseST]

Yeah, that ATP was smaller than the Chinese one I had. It did perform better, but it still didn't do what I needed.

I don't think the ATP would keep up with most of the big turbos on the market either. It is one of the smallest cores offered.

Good thing I just upgraded


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[ywgbandit]

it wasn't available when i got the whoosh but either way i wanted a true bolt on turbo and also wanted to keep the character of the car in tact i like having all my low end torque maybe in the future ill upgrade to an actual big turbo upgrade but thats IF i build this engine first, also dont want to go aux fuel ive already spent enough money on the car performance wise and like @wetwea33 said even with a big turbo these cars are still not gonna be the fastest.. i know other fiestas up here that are pushing high 280's wheel with a pumaspeed hybrid and others over 300 so your 80 to 90 hp gain is definitely possible ... got it in october 2017 im currently sitting at 13.7k miles so im in no rush !

If you don't mind me picking your brain a little on the Whoosh Hybrid? How does the power compare to the OEM? Where does the power come on and end in the rpm band? I like the bottom end pull of the OEM but to me it feels like it starts to die around 4500 rpm. Interested in how the Whoosh compares.

 

[irocjackson]

The ATP wasn't a cheap china core, did you forget this lol.

it will be interesting to see them side by side.

Good thing I just upgraded


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I hope you upgrade your tuner as well or you're going to be dealing with the same BS I've been dealing with. It will probably have a lot of the same characteristics as mine does.

 

[MRX330]

"Real turbos" lolol dude we're taking about a fiesta right now. It's supposed to be a fun little go cart. Even with a big turbo the car isn't fast. Go drive an actual big turbo car then talk about real turbos.

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What?

 

[wetwea33]

Other then the one typo where I said taking instead of talking, what don't you comprehend.

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[ywgbandit]

This pissing contest is getting boring and it's way off topic. You guys should PM each other!

 

[wetwea33]

If you don't mind me picking your brain a little on the Whoosh Hybrid? How does the power compare to the OEM? Where does the power come on and end in the rpm band? I like the bottom end pull of the OEM but to me it feels like it starts to die around 4500 rpm. Interested in how the Whoosh compares.

Hybrids shift the torque curve up a few hundred rpms and fill in up top where the stock turbo drops off. Peak torque is between 3300-4000 and peak power is between 6-7000 depending on fuel and other variables.

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[Eddie0513]

If you don't mind me picking your brain a little on the Whoosh Hybrid? How does the power compare to the OEM? Where does the power come on and end in the rpm band? I like the bottom end pull of the OEM but to me it feels like it starts to die around 4500 rpm. Interested in how the Whoosh compares.

i messaged you, dont wanna flood the s280 thread with whoosh turbo talk

 

[MagnetiseST]

I hope you upgrade your tuner as well or you're going to be dealing with the same BS I've been dealing with. It will probably have a lot of the same characteristics as mine does.

I'll be going CP-E for tuning.

 

[irocjackson]

I'll be going CP-E for tuning.

Smart man! You should ride in Pedro's car. Mitch did a hell of a job on his car.

 

[ywgbandit]

Hybrids shift the torque curve up a few hundred rpms and fill in up top where the stock turbo drops off. Peak torque is between 3300-4000 and peak power is between 6-7000 depending on fuel and other variables.

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I wonder how that compares to the S280? Is the S280 classed as a hybrid, a BT or is it in-between?

 

[wetwea33]

I wonder how that compares to the S280? Is the S280 classed as a hybrid, a BT or is it in-between?

It's not a hybrid as it doesn't use anything from the stock turbo.

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[ywgbandit]

The reason I ask is because it seems to me Big Turbos would be more of a track oriented turbo. Running in the upper rpms and moving lots of air and not much concern for low rpm spool up. If on the other hand if its a medium size turbo with slightly slower spool up and a big fat midrange and high end power band I'd be very interested!
From how you describe your Whoosh hybrid it sounds pretty interesting. Ron at Woosh told me that without aux fuel and running 93 octane that the S280 would generate more horsepower than his Hybrid, but he didn't say how it would affect the lower rpm torque...which is IMO the best part of this engine. I think I'd give up some absolute HP for a wider torque curve, but if you can have both....

 

[wetwea33]

The reason I ask is because it seems to me Big Turbos would be more of a track oriented turbo. Running in the upper rpms and moving lots of air and not much concern for low rpm spool up. If on the other hand if its a medium size turbo with slightly slower spool up and a big fat midrange and high end power band I'd be very interested!
From how you describe your Whoosh hybrid it sounds pretty interesting. Ron at Woosh told me that without aux fuel and running 93 octane that the S280 would generate more horsepower than his Hybrid, but he didn't say how it would affect the lower rpm torque...which is IMO the best part of this engine. I think I'd give up some absolute HP for a wider torque curve, but if you can have both....

It's basically what you described, a medium sized turbo with respect to the platform. It spools slightly later then hybrids although from logs it's on par with my hybrid and makes more power on 93 then I do on e50 with less boost.

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[pjhybrid]

I am still in the early stages of tuning on 93 octane. S280 with Cobb Intercooler and ATP downpipe with stock exhaust after DP, Turbosmart 14PSI wastegate actuator. 259 whp @ 5904 RPM and 252 lb-ft @ 3850 RPM (vdyno), 27 psi. I am very please with this setup so far.

The Turbosmart Kompact BOV that fits where the sound symposer was mounted is not adjustable. I removed the dust cover from the front of it and it has helped a little with the turbo surge. Rotated the BOV to point toward the engine as the dust cover was very dirty.

 

[ywgbandit]

I am still in the early stages of tuning on 93 octane. S280 with Cobb Intercooler and ATP downpipe with stock exhaust after DP, Turbosmart 14PSI wastegate actuator. 259 whp @ 5904 RPM and 252 lb-ft @ 3850 RPM (vdyno), 27 psi. I am very please with this setup so far.

The Turbosmart Kompact BOV that fits where the sound symposer was mounted is not adjustable. I removed the dust cover from the front of it and it has helped a little with the turbo surge. Rotated the BOV to point toward the engine as the dust cover was very dirty.

That's pretty much exactly what I want to do. How does it spool compared to stock? Do you think it comes on as early as a hybrid does or is it further up in rpm? Har far up does it pull and is it linear?

 

[KnockOff]

Please keep us posted.

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[irocjackson]

The reason I ask is because it seems to me Big Turbos would be more of a track oriented turbo. Running in the upper rpms and moving lots of air and not much concern for low rpm spool up. If on the other hand if its a medium size turbo with slightly slower spool up and a big fat midrange and high end power band I'd be very interested!
From how you describe your Whoosh hybrid it sounds pretty interesting. Ron at Woosh told me that without aux fuel and running 93 octane that the S280 would generate more horsepower than his Hybrid, but he didn't say how it would affect the lower rpm torque...which is IMO the best part of this engine. I think I'd give up some absolute HP for a wider torque curve, but if you can have both....

VT330R is one of the best track (road course) turbos in the market. That’s not just an opinion, that’s from real cars running real tracks for years without fail and winning trophies. If you haven’t kept up with it, you should see what the team at AET has done. The problem with having too large of a turbo will be re-spooling it coming out of a corner. A good hybrid or one built like the S280 are perfect track turbos. Plus if you go too big, you’ll have a hell of a time getting that power to the ground once it does spool in a light FWD car, especially coming out of corners.

As best I can tell, the S280 took the same concept that the VT330R used and made a completely new turbo whereas the VT used the stock exhaust housing. The S280 should spool good and pull to 7k rpms with enough fueling.

 

[mrpwagon]

The reason I ask is because it seems to me Big Turbos would be more of a track oriented turbo. Running in the upper rpms and moving lots of air and not much concern for low rpm spool up. If on the other hand if its a medium size turbo with slightly slower spool up and a big fat midrange and high end power band I'd be very interested!
From how you describe your Whoosh hybrid it sounds pretty interesting. Ron at Woosh told me that without aux fuel and running 93 octane that the S280 would generate more horsepower than his Hybrid, but he didn't say how it would affect the lower rpm torque...which is IMO the best part of this engine. I think I'd give up some absolute HP for a wider torque curve, but if you can have both....

You have the right idea. For an enjoyable everyday car on the streets go with a fatter mid range and lower spool. For track use and racing we go with bigger turbos (more air in, more air out at higher RPM). While we are racing we don't care much about low end power and we focus on power between 5-7K RPM. However my race cars would be a boring drive on the streets and are not happy in low RPM. You can never make a street car a true race car; there is always a compromise there. In other words your car is a street car so build a street car that you would enjoy. High HP number at high RPM without nice fat mid-range mean very little on the streets.

 

[irocjackson]

VT330R is one of the best track (road course) turbos in the market. That’s not just an opinion, that’s from real cars running real tracks for years without fail and winning trophies. If you haven’t kept up with it, you should see what the team at AET has done. The problem with having too large of a turbo will be re-spooling it coming out of a corner. A good hybrid or one built like the S280 are perfect track turbos. Plus if you go too big, you’ll have a hell of a time getting that power to the ground once it does spool in a light FWD car, especially coming out of corners.

You have the right idea. For an enjoyable everyday car on the streets go with a fatter mid range and lower spool. For track use and racing we go with bigger turbos (more air in, more air out at higher RPM). While we are racing we don't care much about low end power and we focus on power between 5-7K RPM. However my race cars would be a boring drive on the streets and are not happy in low RPM. You can never make a street car a true race car; there is always a compromise there. In other words your car is a street car so build a street car that you would enjoy. High HP number at high RPM without nice fat mid-range mean very little on the streets.

I think that’s where the VT330R and S280 shine. both can pull hard from 5-7k and are not capped out at 300whp. add aux and/or meth, and both are capable of over 320whp. My last dyno run had me at 322 still fueling limited. Made some
changed to meth and I think i’m around 330whp now comparing logs and referencing prior dyno runs. much over these numbers and you reach a certain point where the power isn’t as usable on a road course.