FIESTA ST LOSING TO EVERYTHING -_-

[M-Sport fan]

Yeah your 100% right i mean to me in the car it feels perfect but it does hurt my feels a little bit when i lose to an accord and they know my car has money put into it .... i deff didnt buy it for a straight line but i was just hoping to atleast keep up after some mods .. im sure the new turbo will help alot more but yeah i hate this elevation thing it really keeps me from seeing what the car is supposed to do

Simple solution; just don't race anyone, and save your license, and the ridiculous resultant insurance increases/etc.

The fact of the matter with this car is that even a current base V-6 effing CAMRY is going to 'get us' from a dig (as C_B stated above), while stock, yup even with a maxed-out tune, (which I STILL do not quite understand, given that appliance's mass, and also being FWD without very sticky tires off the showroom floor, despite it's ~100 hp, and whatever torque amount advantage over us).

 

[Clint Beastwood]

Simple solution; just don't race anyone, and save your license, and ridiculous insurance increases/etc.

The fact of the matter with this car is that even a current base V-6 effing CAMRY is going to 'get us' from a dig, while stock (yup even with a maxed-out tune), which I STILL do not understand this, given that appliance's mass, and also being FWD without very sticky tires off the showroom floor, despite it's ~100 hp, and whatever torque amount advantage over us.

Have you driven one of those camrys (camrii?)? It's really awkward to "float" forward so fast and quiet lol. It's not like driving a tesla, but still really odd to accelerate that quick without really feeling it. It's like driving a fast cloud. A tesla is in another league, even outside of insane mode. My friend and I occasionally troll around newport coast in his p100. Insane mode launches make you acutely aware of having a beer belly, as it flattens out and pushes around your sides and up your chest

 

[danbfree]

https://www.zeroto60times.com/ give 2019 Civic SI times as 0-60 6.7, 1/4 mile 15 flat.
It also give the 2105 FiST as 6.6 and 15 flat while the 2017 FiST as 6.9 and 15.1

So with no mods a with 2014 its al up to the drivers while a 2017 just doens't quite have enough.

As an aside I didn't know they'd cut the performance as the years went by.

My 2¢

They didn't cut performance, 0-60 tests simply vary a lot, I highly doubt the same guy tested it on the same exact tires and same exact conditions, every year seems to be variably from 6.5-7.1 every car slightly varies too, was one brand new, one broken better, etc... Either way, even if they did re-tune it slightly differently for slightly different torque numbers in the later years, we're talking tuned cars here and '14-'19 have the same exact engine/turbo/everything so they all have the the same potential tuned.

 

[Eddie0513]

from what ive read i think ive made a couple mistakes
1. while roll racing i dont shift until redline wich i now know is wrong i should be shifting around 5500
2. i thought all those mods ive done would give me more hp but instead all it really does is up the torque and like jeff said so kindly torque does not mean fast
3. i also think it might have to do with my ethanol content the place i get it from i was just told came tested at 60%
and last but not least #4. i just need an upgraded turbo 300whp is my end goal so i just wont be happy until then

I am by no means trying to be a roll racing monster and i dont even roll race all that much to begin with i just think its a fun way to test the car out and see improvements in power. the civic si is FOR SURE stock unless u wanna count a muffler delete as a real mod like i said its my cousins so right after a pull we park right infront of my house and both wonder whats happening lol either way even if i lose to mini vans or camrys im thankful everyday i dont drive a mini van or camry as a daily (nothing against people who do ofcourse) i love the fiesta for all the right reasons from the way it maneuvers, down to the way it sounds and looks, the fast in a straight line part would just be a cool plus.... i learn something new everytime i get on here and read, another reason i love the fiesta because it has a real community.. aside from all that im humble enough to say it could very well be a driver issue "/ just gotta learn a little bit more until my new whooshy boy goes in and a new chapter begins

 

[danbfree]

from what ive read i think ive made a couple mistakes
1. while roll racing i dont shift until redline wich i now know is wrong i should be shifting around 5500
2. i thought all those mods ive done would give me more hp but instead all it really does is up the torque and like jeff said so kindly torque does not mean fast
3. i also think it might have to do with my ethanol content the place i get it from i was just told came tested at 60%
and last but not least #4. i just need an upgraded turbo 300whp is my end goal so i just wont be happy until then

I am by no means trying to be a roll racing monster and i dont even roll race all that much to begin with i just think its a fun way to test the car out and see improvements in power. the civic si is FOR SURE stock unless u wanna count a muffler delete as a real mod like i said its my cousins so right after a pull we park right infront of my house and both wonder whats happening lol either way even if i lose to mini vans or camrys im thankful everyday i dont drive a mini van or camry as a daily (nothing against people who do ofcourse) i love the fiesta for all the right reasons from the way it maneuvers, down to the way it sounds and looks, the fast in a straight line part would just be a cool plus.... i learn something new everytime i get on here and read, another reason i love the fiesta because it has a real community.. aside from all that im humble enough to say it could very well be a driver issue "/ just gotta learn a little bit more until my new whooshy boy goes in and a new chapter begins

1. Around 5800, you don't shift at EXACTLY it's peak, but just past it. A crossover and turbo inlet (which you'll have to do with a hybrid upgrade anyway) help it pull a little better up top and you can shift right around 6000.
2. Torque is still power that can accelerate you, it's just the power rating for it's power made at the lower RPM's essentially. You need to be able to put that power down to use it, and that means more than just an RMM upgrade, do the upper mount inserts and a traction bar, I barely have any torque steer or wheel spin even on e30 with all seasons and stock suspension.
3. Well, did you get any knock or negative corrections running that tune? You have to watch for that and with ethanol it should be pretty much nil. "e30" tunes are really flexible and in most places e85 is much cheaper than gas, just use more, shit, use 5 gallons per tank instead of 3, e30 tunes can handle e50 no prob and the mileage drop isn't that bad.
4. Oh yeah, still gotta stay that a hybrid will be worth it for sure! Just trying to help maximize what you have for now man, best of luck!

 

[jeff]

Yeah plus you add all that torque and tires are spinning, the car is actually slower because when tires are spinning you're not accelerating efficiently.

Enjoy the car man, it's not the fastest thing around but it is fun in other ways. Like others said if you want something that can keep up with V8s you need a turbo updgrade.

 

[danbfree]

Yeah plus you add all that torque and tires are spinning, the car is actually slower because when tires are spinning you're not accelerating efficiently.

Enjoy the car man, it's not the fastest thing around but it is fun in other ways. Like others said if you want something that can keep up with V8s you need a turbo updgrade.

As you know Jeff, the upper mount inserts are only $80 for both and likely help even more than the RMM, traction bar also, there's ways to help get that power down for now!

 

[Clint Beastwood]

Yeah plus you add all that torque and tires are spinning, the car is actually slower because when tires are spinning you're not accelerating efficiently.

Enjoy the car man, it's not the fastest thing around but it is fun in other ways. Like others said if you want something that can keep up with V8s you need a turbo updgrade.

My e30 tune nuked a set of tires so fast, they broke loose so easy and quietly I did not even realize it was happening most of the time. Ate a set of front indy 500's in like 6000 miles just driving around
(not totally gone, but not really worth rotating)

 

[danbfree]

My e30 tune nuked a set of tires so fast, they broke loose so easy and quietly I did not even realize it was happening most of the time. Ate a set of front indy 500's in like 6000 miles just driving around
(not totally gone, but not really worth rotating)

Wow... I personally use the Cobb TC at a setting of 3 on by default in my Dizzy e30 to help avoid that... I could just be eating my clutch up faster too though, who knows where the wear and tear might be passed on to. But even with a hybrid, it spools very nearly as quickly and makes even a little more torque, so dialing in things traction/bracing-wise while still on a stock turbo with e30 is a good time to prep for the hybrid.

 

[Clint Beastwood]

Wow... I personally use the Cobb TC at a setting of 3 on by default in my Dizzy e30 to help avoid that... I could just be eating my clutch up faster too though, who knows where the wear and tear might be passed on to. But even with a hybrid, it spools very nearly as quickly and makes even a little more torque, so dialing in things traction/bracing-wise while still on a stock turbo with e30 is a good time to prep for the hybrid.

I don't think I opted for it to be turned on. I don't generally launch hard, after the clutch is engaged and I am rolling I'll get on it and didn't realize how much spin I was getting until I stuck a gopro on the side of the car

It breaks loose SO easily and with the stiffer mounts there's no jerking or torque steer so I honestly didn't realize it was breaking loose. Still runs out of steam after 5k or so rpm but those third-gear midrange pulls feel so beefy hehe.

 

[Mikey456]

I’m not surprised by either. The Si has the LSD to help put the power down. The Honda 3.5 V6 is one of the smoothest most powerful V6s on the market and it has horsepower where we do not. Until I go at least hybrid turbo I’m not worried about “pulling” on anyone. The car is fantastic at slicing through traffic with the combo of torque, quick steering, and light weight. 20-70mph the FiST is no laughing stock. When the road opens up drop into 6th and chill back because that’s not where this car shines. Find some canyons and practice the driver mod. Then you’ll start to understand what a special little car this truly is.

+ I would take the Accord driver to some tight canyon roads and show him who’s boss...lol

 

[danbfree]

I don't think I opted for it to be turned on. I don't generally launch hard, after the clutch is engaged and I am rolling I'll get on it and didn't realize how much spin I was getting until I stuck a gopro on the side of the car

It breaks loose SO easily and with the stiffer mounts there's no jerking or torque steer so I honestly didn't realize it was breaking loose. Still runs out of steam after 5k or so rpm but those third-gear midrange pulls feel so beefy hehe.

Exactly, I have it on not for launching but to just help a bit in those 3rd gear pulls... like I said maybe I'm just wearing out my clutch faster instead of tires being all braced up too and not feeling the torque steer, hehe.

 

[Salt]

On ramp today with a MK7 gti. Seemed pretty close, I had a little walk then he missed or quit. I'm stock 2019

 

[Probaholic1]

I say driver mod, I was beating my buddies with their WRXs full boltons to my fbo e35 until they got tuned (as well as a buddy with a new GTI, till he got tuned as well). Most stock cars, sure, fairly certain. That accord with the V6 is no slouch AT ALL.

 

[Clint Beastwood]

I say driver mod, I was beating my buddies with their WRXs full boltons to my fbo e35 until they got tuned (as well as a buddy with a new GTI, till he got tuned as well). Most stock cars, sure, fairly certain. That accord with the V6 is no slouch AT ALL.

The new accord with the 2.0 turbo is really quick, IIRC it's a detuned version of the type R motor. All the new FI hondas are beasty after a hondata tune. There's a LOT of power left in there, but I don't know much about the long term durability or the durability of the rest of the drivetrain. FiST and FoST clutches are way overspecced for the stock power levels which is why we can get away with a lot more power without upgrading, but a lot of new VW's start slipping with just moderate power gains. I don't know where Honda falls in that spread. I do wonder about a hondata tuned CVT FI honda though - while miserable to drive they might be quick if they can handle the power. Always being in your power band is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[METZGER]

Back in the day I had a hot 1600 crossflow in my little ford escort an old guy built it as a race engine and it had over pistons big valve head stage 2 camshaft high flow extractors lightened flywheel 2.0L Cortina twin throat Webber carburettor I went 1 number hotter with the plugs removed the ballest resistor so there was 12v at the coil. Replaced the old cylinder ignition coil with a "new school" compact 12v coil. That thing went crazy...!!! It would scream all the way to 180 km/h like it wanted another 2 gears... Only running the stock 1.6L GL 4 speed gearbox...

My point is that I'm pretty sure that escort was faster than my stock Fiesta ST is not much but maybe a little bit... Very hard to say but kinda crazy how fast a non turbo old school car can go with that old asf technology... Sounded fkn amazing tho..

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[Clint Beastwood]

Back in the day I had a hot 1600 crossflow in my little ford escort an old guy built it as a race engine and it had over pistons big valve head stage 2 camshaft high flow extractors lightened flywheel 2.0L Cortina twin throat Webber carburettor I went 1 number hotter with the plugs removed the ballest resistor so there was 12v at the coil. Replaced the old cylinder ignition coil with a "new school" compact 12v coil. That thing went crazy...!!! It would scream all the way to 180 km/h like it wanted another 2 gears... Only running the stock 1.6L GL 4 speed gearbox...

My point is that I'm pretty sure that escort was faster than my stock Fiesta ST is not much but maybe a little bit... Very hard to say but kinda crazy how fast a non turbo old school car can go with that old asf technology... Sounded fkn amazing tho..

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My last "small turbo daily driver" was a dodge SRT4, it was 230fwhp 262fwtq stock with nothing but a slightly bent WGA arm to hold boost to redline. It was fairly "low tech" compared to the FiST, but it made a lot more power and was lighter than the Fist (no power rear windows, the rear seats only had a hint of padding, it was built for lightness). In every measurable way it was faster than the FiST, but the FiST is decidedly nicer to drive on a daily basis. Also had a '63 vw beetle that went 10.63 but that was *awful* to drive.

 

[MRX330]

My last "small turbo daily driver" was a dodge SRT4, it was 230fwhp 262fwtq stock with nothing but a slightly bent WGA arm to hold boost to redline. It was fairly "low tech" compared to the FiST, but it made a lot more power and was lighter than the Fist (no power rear windows, the rear seats only had a hint of padding, it was built for lightness). In every measurable way it was faster than the FiST, but the FiST is decidedly nicer to drive on a daily basis. Also had a '63 vw beetle that went 10.63 but that was *awful* to drive.

Baboon ass engine hanging out the back?

 

[Clint Beastwood]

Baboon ass engine hanging out the back?

I think it was 2135 cc or somewhere around there, shook like it was going out of style. I remember learning (the hard way) why drag beatles used skinny tires - if you launch hard and the tires *don't* break loose, the engine ejected out the bottom of the car lol.

 

[jeffreylyon]

Back in the day I had a hot 1600 crossflow in my little ford escort an old guy built it as a race engine and it had over pistons big valve head stage 2 camshaft high flow extractors lightened flywheel 2.0L Cortina twin throat Webber carburettor I went 1 number hotter with the plugs removed the ballest resistor so there was 12v at the coil. Replaced the old cylinder ignition coil with a "new school" compact 12v coil. That thing went crazy...!!! It would scream all the way to 180 km/h like it wanted another 2 gears... Only running the stock 1.6L GL 4 speed gearbox...

My point is that I'm pretty sure that escort was faster than my stock Fiesta ST is not much but maybe a little bit... Very hard to say but kinda crazy how fast a non turbo old school car can go with that old asf technology... Sounded fkn amazing tho..

The 1.6L Kent. Great engines - I had a collection of them when I owned two Mk1 Fiestas and a Formula Ford. There's no way in hell that a N/A 1.6L Kent in anything is faster that a FiST. I had twin Webber 40 DCOE's, worked-over heads, a lumpy cam, headers, and a tuned exhaust with those loadable muffler packs at the exit (I forget the name) on my street-A/C car. I'll bet that I wasn't making more than 145hp up way high and near nothing down low. For the time, it was a killer hot hatch and sounded like a pissed-off motorcycle. I'm 100% sure that a stock FiST would just walk away from it. Fast is relative.

Track only, loosely-built, rebuilt every season, high-dollar Kents with steel cranks and unobtainium pistons pressing way over 12:1 with 45 DCOEs make 180hp. Sure, the FiST is a *lot* heavier, but it makes torque way, *way* earlier and longer than a built Kent. And I'll bet that a 180hp Kent (engine only) will cost about the same as a 2015 FiST (the whole car).