Lightweight Advanti 17x8 (4x108) Wheels

[M-Sport fan]

Pirelli PZero Nero come in 205/40/17. Tire rack carries them

Which given the way that Ford puts them on most of the Stang models that don't use a max performance Michelin, at the factory, makes one wonder why they are not the FiST's summer tire, but maybe it's because Ford England/Europe have a deal with B-stone??

 

[LateBrakeU2]

I modified your pic you posted above such that we could get a better look at your new Advanti wheels...they look great!

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Thanks, these are quality wheels and at 6lbs lighter than OEM you can definitely feel the diff. I'm not good at resizing so here's another one feel free to enhance!

 

[BoostBumps]

Thanks, these are quality wheels and at 6lbs lighter than OEM you can definitely feel the diff..... I'm not good at resizing so here's another one feel free to enhance!

 

[BronxBomber]

Which given the way that Ford puts them on most of the Stang models that don't use a max performance Michelin, at the factory, makes one wonder why they are not the FiST's summer tire, but maybe it's because Ford England/Europe have a deal with B-stone??

If you look at the tire rack test results, the Bridgestone RE-05A and the Pirellis scored just about identically in all measured performance categories and also cost about he same. I like the way the stock Beidgestones handled, they just wear out to quickly for being a max performance summer tire. For the same treadwear and cost I can get an extreme performance/autocross tire. Also he Bridgestone are not available in 215/40/17. Ima running 7.5" wheels and upgrading to 8" width, so I need the extra width.

 

[jeffreylyon]

If you look at the tire rack test results, the Bridgestone RE-05A and the Pirellis scored just about identically in all measured performance categories and also cost about he same. I like the way the stock Beidgestones handled, they just wear out to quickly for being a max performance summer tire. For the same treadwear and cost I can get an extreme performance/autocross tire. Also he Bridgestone are not available in 215/40/17. Ima running 7.5" wheels and upgrading to 8" width, so I need the extra width.

For what it's worth, I'm kinda loving how the stock B-stones are working on a 17x8 on the street. True, they're fairly stretched and I could easily fit a 215 or even a narrow 225, but the turn in is awesome and they're super communicative. This is all on the street so I'm nowhere near 10/10 (for me). I wouldn't replace them with the same if I planned to run a single set for the street and A/C, but I just might given that I plan to run a A/C-specific set at the cones. BUT, they're stretched enough that they are providing 0, and I mean 0.0000, rim protection.

I hear you on the wear, though - I'm 1,400 spirited miles in and they're starting to show enough wear that I doubt I'll make it to 5,000.

 

[M-Sport fan]

^^^They are also providing 0.00 wheel IMPACT resistance/cushioning as well, since they already gave almost none with their sidewall profile on a 7" wide wheel, when you stretch them out even more on an 8, they actually start to help the impacts destroy those light and pretty wheels, especially in our crappy roads area.

You have to pay for that great/razor sharp turn-in somewhere.

 

[BronxBomber]

Love my Florida roads. They suck in that they're mostly straight, but largely pothole free. Even living in New York most of my life always running 40/ profile tires, I've only busted 2 wheels in 15 years. One was in pitch black darkness & one was in a snow storm. Couldn't see either pothole. I'll
Always sacrifice comfort for performance, turn in and feedback. If I want comfort, ill drive my wife's Lincoln.

 

[RAAMaudio]

I have used a bunch of Enkei wheels, mostly RPF1 which had the same spoke design as their F1 wheels, flow formed(MATT) versus forged but they were great wheels all around. I did not know Sparco makes F1 wheels which is great but still one has to compared how they are made, a cast wheel might not be strong enough for longer term reliability when running little and stretched sidewalls.

I have seen flow formed, forged and billet wheels ruined on super low profile tires. One case a spoiled rich kid demanded my buddy sell him a setup he highly advised against for his new Porsche he should never of even been allowed to drive, first day he broke 3 of the $7200 set of wheels and demanded the shop replace them, which they did not do of course because they made him sign a waver. That is rather extreme, I have seen many lessor wheel and tire setups not done right fail and not always from hitting a pothole or curb, the case above was a 1" steel plate in a construction zone.

Super sharp response and turn in does not always mean the best grip and often causes loss of overall grip and can lead to serious safety issues when it happens at the wrong time, no free lunch when it comes to picking the right setup, always a caveat or two

Take a good look at just about any form of racing involving making turns, not many have super short sidewalls for good reason and those cars are on very smooth surfaces in most cases.

 

[RAAMaudio]

Well ment but this can be very misleading information here, far to generic, tires mainly but the wheels are also an issue with something like this.

http://www.rimsntires.com/specs0.jsp?item=Wheel-Tire size comparer&sw1=205&ar1=40&bd1=17&rw1=7.0&et1=47&sw2=215&ar2=40&bd2=17&rw2=8.0&et2=45&text1=OEM&text2=215/40-17x8 ET 45

Specs for a "general" comparison

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[BoostBumps]

Very misleading information here, far to generic, tires mainly but the wheels are also an issue with something like this.

I understand...Wasn't trying to post "misleading info" and did indicate this as "general" or "generic"...that being said and back to question asked earlier....A few members here on our forum have already installed 215/40-17 "Z2" tires on 17x8+45 wheels and found no issues with clearance or rubbing which was primary intent of posting that attachment as a generic indication of fitment...


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I suppose we all should get back on main topic...

How about those Lightweight Advanti 17x8 (4x108) Wheels Huh?!

 

[RAAMaudio]

Sorry buddy, not directed at you specifically so I said well intended, I just want to make sure others do not make the mistake of using things like that and making the wrong decision.

It is that the info is by sites that post up such things, I have never seen one post up anything about checking the real specs and far to many do not realize it.

I have helped far more than just the members here figure this stuff out but have not looked into every option available though do per each particular setup, likely the majority and possibly all 215/40/17's on 17x8 +45 wheels will work but there could be a few super wide tires that could be an issue. Also there could be a super narrow tire, best to look into them all before deciding and get the best one for the purpose intended.

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Back on topic as well

The Advanti flow formed wheels are made by Konig and a very good wheel for the money, best value I know at this time, I do not recall now if somebody has received a set yet though in 4x108, it would be great for those wanting 17's if so

 

[BoostBumps]

Sorry buddy, not directed at you specifically so I said well intended.

It is that the info is by sites that post up such things, I have never seen one post up anything about checking the real specs and far to many do not realize it.

no worries...all good stuff Rick! thanks..

 

[posts]

I understand...Wasn't trying to post "misleading info" and did indicate this as "general" or "generic"...that being said and back to question asked earlier....A few members here on our forum have already installed 215/40-17 "Z2" tires on 17x8+45 wheels and found no issues with clearance or rubbing which was primary intent of posting that attachment as a generic indication of fitment...


[HR][/HR]

I suppose we all should get back on main topic...

How about those Lightweight Advanti 17x8 (4x108) Wheels Huh?!

17x8 +48 actually. I know it's a whole 2mm difference but still haha.

 

[BoostBumps]

17x8 +48 actually. I know it's a whole 2mm difference but still haha.

what's a few mm's between friends...

 

[M-Sport fan]

I understand...Wasn't trying to post "misleading info" and did indicate this as "general" or "generic"...that being said and back to question asked earlier....A few members here on our forum have already installed 215/40-17 "Z2" tires on 17x8+45 wheels and found no issues with clearance or rubbing which was primary intent of posting that attachment as a generic indication of fitment..

Yes, and THANK YOU for that info, as it should show that one does not have to use a 9"+ wide wheel in order to run a 215/40 tire to good effect on the street, nor does one have to go 1/2" to 1" UNDER the factory overall diameter in order to NOT rub/scrape on the wheel wells anywhere.

 

[M-Sport fan]

I did not know Sparco makes F1 wheels

If you are referring to Late Brake U2's post here; his wheels are NOT Sparcos, they are Advantis, even though yes, from a distance, or in a non close up pic, they do resemble the Sparco Assetto Garas.

Sparco wheels are made under the auspices/sub-contract of/with OZed, albeit in their mainland China facilities, and not in their Italian plants.

His reference was to AMG Mercedes Petronas F1 team using Advanti/Konig supplied wheels on their F1 rocketships.

I do believe that there are some teams on OZed supplied wheels though.

 

[jeffreylyon]

Take a good look at just about any form of racing involving making turns, not many have super short sidewalls for good reason and those cars are on very smooth surfaces in most cases.

I guess that depend how you define "super short" - most of the bigger money tin tops are running 45 series, at most, and sports racers and junior formula cars are running even lower profiles. Take a look at the availability of competition tires in 17" and above (which are the sizes that modern race cars are running) - you're pretty hard pressed to find something as tall as a 45 series. LMP1 cars, which are specifically designed for reliable speed, run 35 series.

I think that we can all agree that:

Slightly stretched (wheel width == tread width rounded up to the nearest inch) will give better response
Square or under will give better ride
Less sidewall will give better response
More sidewall will give better ride
More tread will give more ultimate grip, regardless of stretch
The above is hugely dependent upon the tire that you mount
A smaller diameter wheel will allow for more sidewall at any given maximum tire diameter
A lighter wheel will help in all areas of performance and give a better ride than a heavier wheel of the same dimensions

We can all speculate that one wheel is stronger because it's heavier than other, that the roads that someone else drives on require a certain amount of wheel strength or sidewall give, that "my" wheel choice is the best choice for everyone, that "everyone" is scolding "me" for liking one wheel over another, that weight is either under or over valued in a wheel choice, but that's all speculation, opinion, and whining.

Me, I'll give up ride for response, to a point. I'm super happy with my wheel choice and, thus far, would recommend it for someone that wants out of his/her FiST that I want out of mine. I've lived in Western PA, home of the worst roads for many years running, for over two decades and have bent 1 medium-grade wheel while running 35 series rubber in a construction zone, so, either, I'm really good at dodging or am really lucky or both. I really like how the 205/40 B-stones are working on my new wheels. I *really* value the input of forum members that have actual experience with different setups for different purposes, especially those trying out new things and contributing their findings back to this community. And I really am uninterested in finger wagging and speculation with no factual backup; this is the Internet, after all, where everyone's option is fact..., in their world.

So run your 15" TD 1.2s or 6ULs with 255/50, or your 17" 6ULs or OZs with 215/40, or your 18" ET 30s on your bagged FiST. If you like it and it works for you, awesome. I've yet to see a set of wheels on a forum-FiST that looked worse than the OEM wheels (except maybe those 18" ET30..., not for me). And, more importantly, everyone who has posted a picture of their newly shod FiST did so because they were excited about their new wheels, and that's good enough for me.

 

[M-Sport fan]

Me, I'll give up ride for response, to a point. I'm super happy with my wheel choice and, thus far, would recommend it for someone that wants out of his/her FiST that I want out of mine. I've lived in Western PA, home of the worst roads for many years running, for over two decades and have bent 1 medium-grade wheel while running 35 series rubber in a construction zone, so, either, I'm really good at dodging or am really lucky or both. I really like how the 205/40 B-stones are working on my new wheels. I *really* value the input of forum members that have actual experience with different setups for different purposes, especially those trying out new things and contributing their findings back to this community. And I really am uninterested in finger wagging and speculation with no factual backup; this is the Internet, after all, where everyone's option is fact..., in their world.

So run your 15" TD 1.2s or 6ULs with 255/50, or your 17" 6ULs or OZs with 215/40, or your 18" ET 30s on your bagged FiST. If you like it and it works for you, awesome. I've yet to see a set of wheels on a forum-FiST that looked worse than the OEM wheels (except maybe those 18" ET30..., not for me). And, more importantly, everyone who has posted a picture of their newly shod FiST did so because they were excited about their new wheels, and that's good enough for me.

OK, so this was aimed directly at me, and yes, I do deserve some/most of it, but, as for the road conditions vs. profile/stretch; I'm guessing you have never been on sections of RT. 202 in my area since, if you have, you would realize that there is NO SUCH THING as "avoiding" the craters/mountains on it, unless one goes 20+miles out of their way to avoid the road completely!!
It does not matter how "careful or lucky" one is, as even IF you stopped, pulled over to the shoulder, or even risked a head-on and swerved into the opposing lane, and tried missing the crap that way, it would not work because the shitty road surface is from SHOULDER TO SHOULDER in a lot of areas (yes, thank you austerity freak, right wing legislature! [more like EFF you to them!!] ).

Next, I will agree, 'ride' means little to me, and I will not give up turn-in response, nor grip, for comfort, IN A 'PERFECT' WORLD, with perfect road surfaces/conditions.
But, I am also not willing to be buying new (expen$ive) wheels and tires every week due to above stated road conditions, for the sake of said stretched tire turn-in response, or light weight wheel physics advantages, in a street setup.

Should I MOVE to a place with said perfect conditions, yes probably. Can I at this time?? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

Next; Yes, at least I admitted what I proposed was "speculation", and could very well be abjectly incorrect, but I also see no actual "proof" offered from those claiming that a certain casting process is necessarily, or absolutely (with scientific evidence) stronger, just a "take it as GOSPEL" because I, or the manufaturer say so attitude.

 

[RAAMaudio]

Of course everyone is free to run what they wish, I just want to make it clear there are ramifications to doing things by style over substance and there are tradeoffs for going to certain extremes and to take a close look at what the real tire specs are, more are posting about this now but for the last 2.5 years on this forum I have been pretty much alone in this, not completely but mostly.

Remember that the side wall marking is a generic aspect ratio, not a size, most race tires are wider than tires we are talking about and have more sidewall than a smaller width tire even though the sidewall ratio may be the same.

I have had race tires on 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18" wheels from very narrow up to 335/35/18's on 13" wide wheels and none had really short sidewalls. I could of ran 19 or 20" wheels on one of the cars but the tires were far more costly, wheels as well, added weight and really would do little if anything at all for handling.

Look at F1, karts, huge sidewalls, look at rally cars, even the tarmac tires have more sidewall than the current trend on street vehicles and the dirt tires quite a bit more to protect the wheels, prevent blowouts, lessen the shock on the suspension and allow more grip on uneven surfaces.

I have so much grip with the 225/45/15 Rival S that I have only broken the car loose once when really going at it, underpass on asphalt into the sun on dusty concrete, back to asphalt with dust on it, under full boost in 2nd gear, nice neutral slide of just a few ft off course but I had 20 ft of surface left so it was not even that dramatic, fun really. The rest of the time the car just sticks, I could get it to let go more but then the speeds are simply not responsible on public roads. I pay attention to the whole car, visually as well as seat of the pants, steering feedback, etc and have no complaints with any of it. It helps I have all the suspension bushings done, aluminum steering rack bushings, etc, much more feedback provided that way and why I did it more than anything.

 

[posts]

I'm just sitting here waiting for my wheels to be delivered so I can get them installed lol.