Daily drivers with performance

[dyn085]

Sorry about that, It looks like what I am looking at here is a picture of the MAF unplugged. Correct? So leave it unplugged and start your car up and drive around with the video recording.

I did. I drove it. And that was my implied point.

So, like I said, you should conduct the test you're recommending. You seem to be spouting off a lot yet doing nothing, and I don't think you would be recommending the test that you think proves you right if you had already done it yourself.

 

[Hijinx]

https://vimeo.com/163580379

I surmise you'll want me to drive it next, because this doesn't validate you.


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[antarctica24]

I did. I drove it. And that was my implied point.

So, like I said, you should conduct the test you're recommending. You seem to be spouting off a lot yet doing nothing, and I don't think you would be recommending the test that you think proves you right if you had already done it yourself.

Well coming from the guy who wants proof, I guess Im going to need the video to believe you. But I know it doesn't matter whether I believe you or not, so lets just say you proved me wrong. Whatever makes you happy. We really need to let this go. This is getting stupid. Just go on believing what you believe or know, and I will go on believing what I know. Your the master tuner on the forum here. so be the master tuner.

 

[antarctica24]

https://vimeo.com/163580379

I surmise you'll want me to drive it next, because this doesn't validate you.


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Well that would be the point. Don't drive it over 50 and don't hammer the pedal. And for the record I don't need validation. I'm not the one challenging what I'm saying. If this was just a temperature sensor their are a whole lot of other ways to get the temp reading. I am also not saying that all of the information is tuned through the the maf. I'm saying that it uses the maf when not in boost and up to a certain point.

 

[Hijinx]

Well coming from the guy who wants proof, I guess Im going to need the video to believe you. But I know it doesn't matter whether I believe you or not, so lets just say you proved me wrong. Whatever makes you happy. We really need to let this go. This is getting stupid. Just go on believing what you believe or know, and I will go on believing what I know. Your the master tuner on the forum here. so be the master tuner.

Believe what? YOU continue to be wrong. So now that you've been proven wrong time and time again at every turn you make this "is getting stupid" all of a sudden? Learn to admit to your mistakes like a decent human being.

 

[antarctica24]

Believe what? YOU continue to be wrong. So now that you've been proven wrong time and time again at every turn you make this "is getting stupid" all of a sudden? Learn to admit to your mistakes like a decent human being.

Here you go, you believe im wrong. Does that help?

 

[Hijinx]

Well that would be the point. Don't drive it over 50 and don't hammer the pedal. And for the record I don't need validation. I'm not the one challenging what I'm saying. If this was just a temperature sensor their are a whole lot of other ways to get the temp reading. I am also not saying that all of the information is tuned through the the maf. I'm saying that it uses the maf when not in boost and up to a certain point.

Your argument continues to morph around. You asked for a start video and got it. Maybe being a little more specific would help your cause.

If I dropped the hammer and go over 10psi, the MAF wouldn't be needed anymore, according to you. So why can't I?

So let's say Dyn posts the driving video... And it proves you wrong. What else do you want as proof??

 

[Hijinx]

Here you go, you believe im wrong. Does that help?

It's ok to be afraid of change.

 

[antarctica24]

Your argument continues to morph around. You asked for a start video and got it. Maybe being a little more specific would help your cause.

If I dropped the hammer and go over 10psi, the MAF wouldn't be needed anymore, according to you. So why can't I?

So let's say Dyn posts the driving video... And it proves you wrong. What else do you want as proof??

I don't want you to damage your car. If you unplug the maf and drive it around under 50 and it doesn't drive any differently then you proved your point.

 

[Hijinx]

I don't want you to damage your car. If you unplug the maf and drive it around under 50 and it doesn't drive any differently then you proved your point.

But these are your points, though...? You're the one that should be out doing the "test."

 

[antarctica24]

But these are your points, though...? You're the one that should be out doing the "test."

I also know the car uses the maf for more than temp readings.

 

[Hijinx]

I also know the car uses the maf for more than temp readings.

I've come to the conclusion that you have no interest in actually validating anything you've said and you are uniquely and singularly argumentative with no goal in mind. Therefore, the only recourse I have is to assume you speak solely out of your ass, and I have no reason to apportion to you any trust or respect.

 

[dyn085]

I also know the car uses the maf for more than temp readings.

You've shown, repeatedly, that you know nothing about this platform. I tried being nice in response to your pm, but this is getting ridiculous. I and Hijinx have both posted multiple examples and data of how you're wrong and you've done nothing but cite completely irrelevant platforms and change the requirements of your test that you yourself have not done.

I don't know why so many people in the community have been trying to move us to an opinion-based community as opposed to a fact-based community. It's absurd and you're doing nothing but showing your own ignorance in the hopes that others will end up being ignorant like you. Try to collect any form of legitimate data that supports your side of the discussion about this exact platform and you'll end up proving yourself wrong multiple times over.

Unplug your MAF and drive and you'll still see measured airflow mass. I know this because I've done it. You don't because you haven't, and also because you don't know what you're talking about-you're just guessing based on your past and irrelevant experience.

 

[dyn085]

But these are your points, though...? You're the one that should be out doing the "test."

Some people think debates are easier if they have the other side do all of the work.

 

[antarctica24]

You've shown, repeatedly, that you know nothing about this platform. I tried being nice in response to your pm, but this is getting ridiculous. I and Hijinx have both posted multiple examples and data of how you're wrong and you've done nothing but cite completely irrelevant platforms and change the requirements of your test that you yourself have not done.

I don't know why so many people in the community have been trying to move us to an opinion-based community as opposed to a fact-based community. It's absurd and you're doing nothing but showing your own ignorance in the hopes that others will end up being ignorant like you. Try to collect any form of legitimate data that supports your side of the discussion about this exact platform and you'll end up proving yourself wrong multiple times over.

Unplug your MAF and drive and you'll still see measured airflow mass. I know this because I've done it. You don't because you haven't, and also because you don't know what you're talking about-you're just guessing based on your past and irrelevant experience.

Look I am not sure what the big deal is here were not that far off from each other. You said this is a MAP based tune and only uses the MAF for temp readings.

I said this is a MAF based setup from FORD and the MAF is used for 80% of when you are driving around and that the only time it uses the MAP tables is when the airflow goes beyond what the MAF can read.

In both scenarios the MAF is not doing shit above somewhere between 7-10lbs of boost meaning all boost above that point is governed by the MAP tables. When you are tuning the ecoboost you are spending 99% of your time working on tables over 10lbs of boost and more realistically 15 plus.

Let it go it will be ok. You are doing all of your tuning using the MAP sensors tables because the MAF can't read above 7-10lbs of boost.

There are a hundred thousand ways Ford could grab the temp. The MAF would be a complete waste of money if that was the only thing it was doing. Any type of tuning your doing on any car after 1986 is using the MAF sensor for 80% of the drivability of the car. The MAP sensors are there so when you go into boost it can more accurately send the correct amount of fuel to the injector.

There is no guessing or speculation. Here. This is not an opinion. It is a fact.

I have a call into fev who developed the software for the ecoboost. As soon as they call me back we will put this to rest. If he says that the MAF is there only for temp and all the drivability of this car is calculated using the MAP sensors I will openly admit I was wrong, but I wouldn't hold my breathe. I already know the answer I'm just trying to get you someone other than myself to confirm it for you and the others in this thread. This is how all cars running odb2 work after 1986 boosted or not. ford would not go backwards 20 years in technology especially when facing new CAFE standards. The MAF is much more flexible and dynamic in its ability to make corrections not only with atmospheric changes but sea level, and or air density changes including humidity and temp. The MAP can't do any of that. It only measures atmospheric pressure.

 

[antarctica24]

You've shown, repeatedly, that you know nothing about this platform. I tried being nice in response to your pm, but this is getting ridiculous. I and Hijinx have both posted multiple examples and data of how you're wrong and you've done nothing but cite completely irrelevant platforms and change the requirements of your test that you yourself have not done.

I don't know why so many people in the community have been trying to move us to an opinion-based community as opposed to a fact-based community. It's absurd and you're doing nothing but showing your own ignorance in the hopes that others will end up being ignorant like you. Try to collect any form of legitimate data that supports your side of the discussion about this exact platform and you'll end up proving yourself wrong multiple times over.

Unplug your MAF and drive and you'll still see measured airflow mass. I know this because I've done it. You don't because you haven't, and also because you don't know what you're talking about-you're just guessing based on your past and irrelevant experience.

While we at it you bring up a great point, yours and hijinx experience is what?

You've posted and commented on just about everything anyone has ever stated on the forum. You have 3 cars that you play around with using the access port or the pro tune which ever.

Let's call it what is it,
I tuned all 3 of my high horsepower cars and I didn't do one them by the seat of my pants. I went to multiple classes to learn how to tune those cars on one of the most complicated platforms available then and today which was hptuners over 212 tables. I built both motors, had fabiricators from nascar work with me on the cars, worked with David Vizard from popular hot ridding magazine on building a one off poured cylinder head for the trans am and assisted in the flow benching of the port including designing of the ports.

Started and sold a aftermarket clutch company I which exceedy from Australia was buying to resale from me and Holden racing was using my clutch exclusively for their racing team and Microsoft used my damn clutch in Fornza and was reviews in GM High Tech.

I have spent out of pocket over $250,000 on damn cars and projects and been published internationally for one of them and then stuffed a northstar motor out of caddy into the Fiero and had to work out all of the computer wiring on my own because at the time no one made a kit. I have been sponsored by pioneer, a/d/s, hot rod magaine and more performance parts companies including diamond Pistons, General Motors, crower rods, mad and countless others and had multiple companies use my car i their international advertising campaign. Shit, nordost have me $90,000 retail worth of silver speaker wire because I called.

And completly unrelated hold 3 masters degrees in business and working on my doctorate and worked as a systems engineer for Wachovia bank in their IT department for 15 of the 26 years I worked in IT.

WTF have you done? Just because you have all this time sitting around spewing off information does not make you an expert.

 

[dyn085]

While we at it you bring up a great point, yours and hijinx experience is what?

You've posted and commented on just about everything anyone has ever stated on the forum. You have 3 cars that you play around with using the access port or the pro tune which ever.

Let's call it what is it,
I tuned all 3 of my high horsepower cars and I didn't do one them by the seat of my pants. I went to multiple classes to learn how to tune those cars on one of the most complicated platforms available then and today which was hptuners over 212 tables. I built both motors, had fabiricators from nascar work with me on the cars, worked with David Vizard from popular hot ridding magazine on building a one off poured cylinder head for the trans am and assisted in the flow benching of the port including designing of the ports.

Started and sold a aftermarket clutch company I which exceedy from Australia was buying to resale from me and Holden racing was using my clutch exclusively for their racing team and Microsoft used my damn clutch in Fornza and was reviews in GM High Tech.

I have spent out of pocket over $250,000 on damn cars and projects and been published internationally for one of them and then stuffed a northstar motor out of caddy into the Fiero and had to work out all of the computer wiring on my own because at the time no one made a kit. I have been sponsored by pioneer, a/d/s, hot rod magaine and more performance parts companies including diamond Pistons, General Motors, crower rods, mad and countless others and had multiple companies use my car i their international advertising campaign. Shit, nordost have me $90,000 retail worth of silver speaker wire because I called.

And completly unrelated hold 3 masters degrees in business and working on my doctorate and worked as a systems engineer for Wachovia bank in their IT department for 15 of the 26 years I worked in IT.

WTF have you done? Just because you have all this time sitting around spewing off information does not make you an expert.

All of that typing and you still think it's a MAF-based tune, lol. My experience is irrelevant because all I do is build and maintain airplanes. All I've done is shoot down all of your thoughts and opinions, which is based on irrelevant experience, with actual data.

 

[twolf]

so did you get the timing belt replaced or not?

 

[antarctica24]

All of that typing and you still think it's a MAF-based tune, lol. My experience is irrelevant because all I do is build and maintain airplanes. All I've done is shoot down all of your thoughts and opinions, which is based on irrelevant experience, with actual data.

Like I said WTF have you done. Airplanes have nothing to do with automotive technology. BTW how's that MAP sensor working at 15,000 feet? Data doesn't mean anything if you don't understand how to interpret the data and how to apply it. Anyone can do a data log but if you don't understand the rest of the systems the computer is using and how they relate your data is out of context.

 

[Hijinx]

While we at it you bring up a great point, yours and hijinx experience is what?

You've posted and commented on just about everything anyone has ever stated on the forum. You have 3 cars that you play around with using the access port or the pro tune which ever.

Let's call it what is it,
I tuned all 3 of my high horsepower cars and I didn't do one them by the seat of my pants. I went to multiple classes to learn how to tune those cars on one of the most complicated platforms available then and today which was hptuners over 212 tables. I built both motors, had fabiricators from nascar work with me on the cars, worked with David Vizard from popular hot ridding magazine on building a one off poured cylinder head for the trans am and assisted in the flow benching of the port including designing of the ports.

Started and sold a aftermarket clutch company I which exceedy from Australia was buying to resale from me and Holden racing was using my clutch exclusively for their racing team and Microsoft used my damn clutch in Fornza and was reviews in GM High Tech.

I have spent out of pocket over $250,000 on damn cars and projects and been published internationally for one of them and then stuffed a northstar motor out of caddy into the Fiero and had to work out all of the computer wiring on my own because at the time no one made a kit. I have been sponsored by pioneer, a/d/s, hot rod magaine and more performance parts companies including diamond Pistons, General Motors, crower rods, mad and countless others and had multiple companies use my car i their international advertising campaign. Shit, nordost have me $90,000 retail worth of silver speaker wire because I called.

And completly unrelated hold 3 masters degrees in business and working on my doctorate and worked as a systems engineer for Wachovia bank in their IT department for 15 of the 26 years I worked in IT.

WTF have you done? Just because you have all this time sitting around spewing off information does not make you an expert.

Your knowledge and experience carries far more weight than anything I can present at this moment of my life. A lot of that, I'm sure, translates to the FiST; however, you don't possess the specialized knowledge of our platform. I would be more inclined to trust and respect your opinions if they were based in the facts that are true to our platform.

I haven't done nothing with my life, but I respect myself too much to brag.