On my SECOND engine - 300 Miles in the knocking sound is back!

[frankiefiesta]

Sure, take your case off. Record a video with the phone horizontally, the home button on the right side. Start sitting in the driver seat, then move to the front of the car and put the phone (still horizontally) about a foot from the Ford oval.

Then upload the video to YouTube using the YouTube app.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCwNBV9fJOk

Intake/CB/RMM

Cool. Will do tomorrow after work

 

[frankiefiesta]

[MENTION=3699]twolf[/MENTION]

Never mind, went out really quick and made the video. Here it is

https://youtu.be/hTo-63VUp2A

May be the ultimate comparative video. Same mods, same temps lol

 

[twolf]

Meant to mention, mine was a cold start as well. Mine seems noisier than yours, but I have a MBRP exhaust and Injen intake. I'm not worried about it though

 

[me32]

For the op other than the noise dose car not run well? If your that unhappy with the car sell it back to the dealer or someone else.

 

[apex]

And play the powerball because you're more likely to win than get a third new engine.

 

[miguel.in.az]

2nd vid sounds like an exhaust leak

Honestly, in general, people are WAY too picky over this car. It's a Fiesta! It's gonna have a crappy interior, it's gonna be noisy, it may not have the smoothest ride. But it does what it was designed to pretty damn well....

"I paid Fiesta money but I want the interior of a Bentley and the handling of a Lotus and the powah of a Hellcat"

some people will never be pleased.

This, some people's expectations for a $25k car are way too lofty. Cheap, fun, comfortable. Choose 2

 

[me32]

2nd vid sounds like an exhaust leak



This, some people's expectations for a $25k car are way too lofty. Cheap, fun, comfortable. Choose 2

IMO all 3 of those fit the FIST

 

[dyn085]

Honestly, in general, people are WAY too picky over this car. It's a Fiesta! It's gonna have a crappy interior, it's gonna be noisy, it may not have the smoothest ride. But it does what it was designed to pretty damn well....

"I paid Fiesta money but I want the interior of a Bentley and the handling of a Lotus and the powah of a Hellcat"

some people will never be pleased.

That's a horrible approach and opinion. My FoST was only $2k more and is significantly quieter and more solidly built, coupled with significantly nicer amenities. When someone buys a new car at this price-point they should be able to get something relatively decent. Telling people that they should expect crap only furthers the automobile industries thought that they can charge us more for less.

 

[twolf]

That's a horrible approach and opinion. My FoST was only $2k more and is significantly quieter and more solidly built, coupled with significantly nicer amenities. When someone buys a new car at this price-point they should be able to get something relatively decent. Telling people that they should expect crap only furthers the automobile industries thought that they can charge us more for less.

The problem is, the Fiesta isn't crap... it's just not luxury... The base Fiesta is 14k... the base Focus is 17k. They are two completely different classes... the Focus interior in my opinion isn't quantifiably nicer. My FiST interior doesn't squeak or rattle and I'm perfectly happy with it.

The Fiesta is the cheapest FUN car on the market, there are gonna be compromises.

 

[dyn085]

The problem is, the Fiesta isn't crap... it's just not luxury... The base Fiesta is 14k... the base Focus is 17k. They are two completely different classes... the Focus interior in my opinion isn't quantifiably nicer. My FiST interior doesn't squeak or rattle and I'm perfectly happy with it.

The Fiesta is the cheapest FUN car on the market, there are gonna be compromises.

I have both the FiST and FoST, and both are fully loaded. The difference in quality is not small by any means. When you drive them every day it becomes drastically apparent. Hell, the FiST didn't even have LED's in the interior or licence plate, lol.

 

[twolf]

I have both the FiST and FoST, and both are fully loaded. The difference in quality is not small by any means. When you drive them every day it becomes drastically apparent. Hell, the FiST didn't even have LED's in the interior or licence plate, lol.

okay, so if the FiST is so shitty why did you buy it?

 

[dyn085]

okay, so if the FiST is so shitty why did you buy it?

Wow, what an impressive conclusion you just made.

There are worse cars. I bought my FiST based on the quality that I had in my Mk3 Focus and FoST. I knew there would be some 'compromises', but I wasn't expecting what I got. Not only was I not expecting what I got, the difference is surprisingly large considering the comparatively small difference in price.

Again, this is not your $14k base-model Fiesta. Considering the nearly $10k premium added, there could have been a lot more attention to detail. I shouldn't be bouncing around the entire time I'm driving, my hearing shouldn't be numb by the time I get home from my commute, and they could have at least added LED's to the interior and license plate.

You can make all the excuses for it that you want. You can call it 'shitty' or try to allude that me having said so. It doesn't change the fact that most people paid over $20k for the platform and they shouldn't have to be coming up with 'cheap car' excuses to justify their cognitive dissonance over their purchase.

 

[twolf]

Wow, what an impressive conclusion you just made.

There are worse cars. I bought my FiST based on the quality that I had in my Mk3 Focus and FoST. I knew there would be some 'compromises', but I wasn't expecting what I got. Not only was I not expecting what I got, the difference is surprisingly large considering the comparatively small difference in price.

Again, this is not your $14k base-model Fiesta. Considering the nearly $10k premium added, there could have been a lot more attention to detail. I shouldn't be bouncing around the entire time I'm driving, my hearing shouldn't be numb by the time I get home from my commute, and they could have at least added LED's to the interior and license plate.

You can make all the excuses for it that you want. You can call it 'shitty' or try to allude that me having said so. It doesn't change the fact that most people paid over $20k for the platform and they shouldn't have to be coming up with 'cheap car' excuses to justify their cognitive dissonance over their purchase.

No matter how much you paid, it doesn't take away the fact that it is a cheap car. the interior is UNCHANGED from the 14k fiesta, a car that is literally "bottom of the barrel". Do you have a stock exhaust? LEDs are a $5 mod, why would you pick that to complain about?

I'm not alluding to the fact that you're saying it's shitty, because that's basically what you're doing. You're just mincing words. The vast majority of people on this site are more than happy with their purchase. I think we'd all agree that this car is a good value. The interior isn't bad, the ride isn't bad, it's not even loud stock (seriously, where did you get that from?). You're comparing it to a car that costs significantly more.. A fully loaded FoST is almost $6k more than a fully loaded FiST. Stop comparing them. It's not a comparable car... Compare the FiST to the Sonic RS or the Abarth.

The point of my post was to get you to tell me why you bought a car that has an inferior interior. Is it because it's more fun to drive than the FoST?

 

[Sil3nt611]

I don't know, I think the interior, cabin quietness, and driving comfort in my Fiesta ST (with Recaros) is great. My mom's '14 Focus SE interior doesn't seem any better. I was never in a Focus ST long enough to really notice any differences in interior quality, but I have been in a FiST and FoST back to back and didn't feel like the interior quality was drastically different. I came from a 2003 Ford Escort ZX2 with stiffer springs that handled worse than the Fiesta with a seat that really wasn't that great, the interior that always rattled and was falling apart, and the loudest cabin ever on the highway.

So that being said, it's really all in perception. Personally I think comparing the 2003 Escort ZX2 to the 2016 Fiesta, both the cheapest cars in Ford's lineup in each particular model year, the Fiesta is leaps and bounds better and I am more than happy with the Fiestas interior for the price point. The extra money I paid over the base price of the Fiesta SE for the ST was for the engine, trans, turbo, Recaros, orange paint, Sync 3 with nav, keyless, ST body pieces, suspension, wheels and tires, and anything else a base ST adds on, not to mention the engineering that goes into making the ST an ST. All that stuff adds up to a pretty dang good value for me. I can't think of any other car I'd really enjoy having right now for the price.

 

[dyn085]

No matter how much you paid, it doesn't take away the fact that it is a cheap car. the interior is UNCHANGED from the 14k fiesta, a car that is literally "bottom of the barrel". Do you have a stock exhaust? LEDs are a $5 mod, why would you pick that to complain about?

I'm not alluding to the fact that you're saying it's shitty, because that's basically what you're doing. You're just mincing words. The vast majority of people on this site are more than happy with their purchase. I think we'd all agree that this car is a good value. The interior isn't bad, the ride isn't bad, it's not even loud stock (seriously, where did you get that from?). You're comparing it to a car that costs significantly more.. A fully loaded FoST is almost $6k more than a fully loaded FiST. Stop comparing them. It's not a comparable car... Compare the FiST to the Sonic RS or the Abarth.

The point of my post was to get you to tell me why you bought a car that has an inferior interior. Is it because it's more fun to drive than the FoST?

No, that's not what I'm saying, and I'm not going to argue semantics. The fact that you bring up $5 mod cost is exactly my point-they could have installed them from the factory. In fact, they could have used comparable almost everything from the factory and still been under budget from the FoST due to the smaller size. That is what you're not understanding.

My FoST was $2-2.5k otd compared to my FiST. They're directly comparable and the FoST is actually the FiST's biggest opposition. How many FoST owners do you think went to look at the FiST and drove off in a FoST because of how little the price difference was compared to how much more they got in the car? Or vice-versa, someone who went to buy the FoST and also test-drove the FiST but left in the FoST for the exact same reason? You would be surprised if you followed the FoST forums.

I bought my FiST because I wanted something smaller than the FoST and I hadn't driven one that had 20k+ miles. If I had then I would have bought the FoST and taken the small decrease in fuel mileage for the added comfort, space, and amenities. You can have a problem with me being a realist all you want but I'm not going to excuse a weak 'cheap car' excuse when my other 'cheap car' is significantly better overall.

It's surprising how hard people will defend mediocrity.

 

[twolf]

You're not answering the question... Why did you buy the FiST if the FoST is so superior? It's like you're purposely ignoring the question. Why did you pay for mediocrity? I drove both and liked the FiST more. The FoST is too big. The FiST is more chuckable, IMO, and cheaper, so what's NOT to love?

FYI every FoST owner I have talked to has said it was either too small or too slow compared to the FiST. Everyone who I've talked to who actually KNOWS/DRIVES on a high level agrees the FiST handles better. And there are over 200 members of the ATL ST Club that are majority Focus owners.

FYI it costs Ford a similar amount to produce two cars that are different in size, like the FoST/FiST. The price difference is almost completely the components that then go into it.

 

[dyn085]

I already answered your question, lol.

The FoST is definitely not too slow compared to the FiST, with the exception of BT versions-data tells us that. It's also not too small compared to the FiST-data also tells us that. It also doesn't handle better-data tells us that as well.

Many FiST owners tell of how the FoST owners all say they wish they would have gotten the FiST. Oddly, that doesn't seem to be coming across in overall sales and is surely not what I've noticed from being in the community. Justify it all you want, I really don't care because I own both and have nothing to prove to either side of the fence.

 

[twolf]

I already answered your question, lol.

The FoST is definitely not too slow compared to the FiST, with the exception of BT versions-data tells us that. It's also not too small compared to the FiST-data also tells us that. It also doesn't handle better-data tells us that as well.

Many FiST owners tell of how the FoST owners all say they wish they would have gotten the FiST. Oddly, that doesn't seem to be coming across in overall sales and is surely not what I've noticed from being in the community. Justify it all you want, I really don't care because I own both and have nothing to prove to either side of the fence.

I clearly typed it wrong, don't kill me. I meant the FiST is too slow, too small, handles better than the FoST.

Don't misquote me. I said that everyone I've talked to expressed that they liked the FiST and would have gotten one if it were bigger, faster. Hence why they got the Focus.

 

[dyn085]

It doesn't handle better than the FoST, assuming no tire/suspension changes from either. The FoST felt too numb OEM while the FiST still feels over-sprung and under-dampened. Skidpad testing shows the FoST with more grip, and everyone that's had the FiST at dangerous speeds can attest to the poor handling.

The FiST feels faster at slower speeds but FoST owners are still dominating autocross. Again, that information is everywhere. There is an illusion that many people can't get past, even when presented with data.

 

[twolf]

It doesn't handle better than the FoST, assuming no tire/suspension changes from either. The FoST felt too numb OEM while the FiST still feels over-sprung and under-dampened. Skidpad testing shows the FoST with more grip, and everyone that's had the FiST at dangerous speeds can attest to the poor handling.

The FiST feels faster at slower speeds but FoST owners are still dominating autocross. Again, that information is everywhere. There is an illusion that many people can't get past, even when presented with data.

shocker, a car with wider tires does better on the skidpad. I've had it in the mountains with club runs and destroyed FoSTs on coilovers and sticky summer tires while I was on 400TW all seasons. It's so much more nimble than the FoST. Keep in mind, I've also driven both....