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MAPerformance Intake R&D, Results, and Information
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wow ordered yesterday...already shipped and having tracking info today...what a pleasant surprise i wasn't expecting it for at least a week, this looks like that start of a beautiful customer/parts supplier relationship to me! 
Nope, this was my fault. I forgot we moved our free shipping threshold to 199.00 and I made a mistake. There IS shipping on intakes unless combined with something else to break the 199.00 mark!
I apologize.
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Yup!
Here is a post I made on another thread. Unfortunately it clips some of the other comments.
Here is a post I made on another thread. Unfortunately it clips some of the other comments.
I did testing both ways, the results were slightly different. Mostly because of the way my enclosed dyno cell is designed. If I am testing multiple products in the same environment and there are changes between each product that is recorded and that is what you are seeing.
Here is an explanation of why we don't use an airbox, we have tested airbox systems on multiple different vehicles and hardly is it ever the best option.
The injen intake has a secondary inlet pipe that sits over the manifold, and that creates another source of heat in the engine bay. Again, we stuck with factory plastic piping as increased diameter showed no gains, and plastic has better thermal properties.
Air boxes do connect to "fresh air" source but has anyone taken apart the upper shrouding to see where the source of fresh air is coming from? It's not, that fresh air "channel" is basically sealed and only pulls in air from the edges by the headlight.
I highly recommend everyone to trim out the plastic to allow for true fresh air to get into the air ducting channel, I believe there are multiple DIY's on the forums here for this.
It does get a little warm at idle, but that is basically with any intake, I had the same results with the stock intake. The best thing about our intake is the recovery from heat soak. I can sit at idle in a parking lot on a 80° day and it will get up to 105° by the time I exit the parking lot and get onto the main road I am already within 5-7° of ambient temperature.
I already made a large post on why our exhaust makes power, and downpipes do not. No other vendor or manufacture of products for our vehicles (Fiesta) do testing or data collection like I provide. If you don't believe the results, then I would suggest that you provide me data that proves otherwise. If I was in the business of making products to turn a profit I would of done the following:
1.) Skewed my results to show that our downpipe makes power, even though it doesn't. I only manufacturer a downpipe to support turbo upgrades that are already on the market and our turbo upgrade that will be released in the future.
2.) I would of used our Faro arm to probe the engine bay, and also 3D scanned the engine bay, then continued to make a 100% sealed 3D Printed airbox that would of jacked up the price. I have the facility and machines to accomdate the manufacturing of such a product but find it unnecessary.
3.) I would of put sheet metal end tanks on our intercooler instead of billet and sold it for the same price. We used billet because testing and data has proved it to be better, on our own vehicles and 3rd party testing. If I would of done sheet metal end tanks I would of sold it for the same price as the drive for our products is to out perform while still being price competitive. Billet end tanks was our choice to have the better fitting and performing product.
Sure, the common thing to do is to provide a better product and sell it for more because it is the better product. However as a consumer and manufacturer myself (ourselves) I find it much more appetizing to be above to afford a quality hand made product manufactured in the USA that has testing results, versus something made in Taiwan/China that only has biased reviews or half-assed testing.
I have products already heading out of our facility and should be seeing reviews all over the forum. I'm sure you didn't miss the reviews of our exhaust posted all over.
Here is an explanation of why we don't use an airbox, we have tested airbox systems on multiple different vehicles and hardly is it ever the best option.
The injen intake has a secondary inlet pipe that sits over the manifold, and that creates another source of heat in the engine bay. Again, we stuck with factory plastic piping as increased diameter showed no gains, and plastic has better thermal properties.
Air boxes do connect to "fresh air" source but has anyone taken apart the upper shrouding to see where the source of fresh air is coming from? It's not, that fresh air "channel" is basically sealed and only pulls in air from the edges by the headlight.
I highly recommend everyone to trim out the plastic to allow for true fresh air to get into the air ducting channel, I believe there are multiple DIY's on the forums here for this.
It does get a little warm at idle, but that is basically with any intake, I had the same results with the stock intake. The best thing about our intake is the recovery from heat soak. I can sit at idle in a parking lot on a 80° day and it will get up to 105° by the time I exit the parking lot and get onto the main road I am already within 5-7° of ambient temperature.
I already made a large post on why our exhaust makes power, and downpipes do not. No other vendor or manufacture of products for our vehicles (Fiesta) do testing or data collection like I provide. If you don't believe the results, then I would suggest that you provide me data that proves otherwise. If I was in the business of making products to turn a profit I would of done the following:
1.) Skewed my results to show that our downpipe makes power, even though it doesn't. I only manufacturer a downpipe to support turbo upgrades that are already on the market and our turbo upgrade that will be released in the future.
2.) I would of used our Faro arm to probe the engine bay, and also 3D scanned the engine bay, then continued to make a 100% sealed 3D Printed airbox that would of jacked up the price. I have the facility and machines to accomdate the manufacturing of such a product but find it unnecessary.
3.) I would of put sheet metal end tanks on our intercooler instead of billet and sold it for the same price. We used billet because testing and data has proved it to be better, on our own vehicles and 3rd party testing. If I would of done sheet metal end tanks I would of sold it for the same price as the drive for our products is to out perform while still being price competitive. Billet end tanks was our choice to have the better fitting and performing product.
Sure, the common thing to do is to provide a better product and sell it for more because it is the better product. However as a consumer and manufacturer myself (ourselves) I find it much more appetizing to be above to afford a quality hand made product manufactured in the USA that has testing results, versus something made in Taiwan/China that only has biased reviews or half-assed testing
.I have products already heading out of our facility and should be seeing reviews all over the forum. I'm sure you didn't miss the reviews of our exhaust posted all over
.
I applaud your engineering savvy but you do not really address the facts that you are inhaling hot underhood air through a metal tube(which will heat soak) and there was no indication of if the hood was up for these power gains. The only reason I can comprehend that hot air intakes sell is because they are cheaper than sealed box types, sound aggressive, and 'make' dyno numbers.
What the aftermarket really needs to bring is an intake box which is sealed off from the underhood air, AND has a good source of cold air from outside the engine bay.
What the aftermarket really needs to bring is an intake box which is sealed off from the underhood air, AND has a good source of cold air from outside the engine bay.
Everybody seems to be so focused on IATs when turbo cars what really matters is your BATs. The SRI vs CAI has been flogging the poor dead horse since the beginning of boost. Typically on setups like ours with tiny turbos that push the boundaries of physics, the turbo outputs so much heat that where you filter is doesn't matter in the long run. The general running consensus across multiple platforms appears to be an SRI will be cheaper and give you a minuscule amount of more low end while a CAI will give you that minuscule amount more top end. All in all it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference, what you really want is a good intercooler and some meth if you want some proper gains. Really take it all with a grain of salt and get whatever floats your boat at the time. What really matters is how well the intake flows and letting that turbo suck as much as it wants without restriction and minimal turbulence.
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I tested both ways as outlined above, the different in temp with hood up versus hood down was under 5°. I continued testing with the hood up to keep the results between intakes the same with no variables as I didn't test with hood up versus down until I go to the final intake. It was outlined in the other thread.
I also daily drive with this intake on my car, every single day, and I shared the information on how fast the intake recovers from heatsoak. When you have an airbox only pulling in air from the front radiator shroud frontal area you are only getting "fresh" air from a 90% sealed air which doesn't actually have airflow. The 10% of air getting into scavenge area is from very small openings by the headlight. Without the box you are pulling in air from the stock vent, lower pressure area in the front of the engine bay because the car doesn't have a splash shield, both headlight tolerance gaps, and whatever makes it through on the sides of the radiator which is a very fine gap.
I recommended above cutting holes, or slits in the factory shrouding by the "fresh air" inlet to allow for actual airflow to enter in.
I will do a recovering video in the next couple of days. 3 minutes at idle, then driving to show how fast the intake recovers to ambient/charge air temp.
I also daily drive with this intake on my car, every single day, and I shared the information on how fast the intake recovers from heatsoak. When you have an airbox only pulling in air from the front radiator shroud frontal area you are only getting "fresh" air from a 90% sealed air which doesn't actually have airflow. The 10% of air getting into scavenge area is from very small openings by the headlight. Without the box you are pulling in air from the stock vent, lower pressure area in the front of the engine bay because the car doesn't have a splash shield, both headlight tolerance gaps, and whatever makes it through on the sides of the radiator which is a very fine gap.
I recommended above cutting holes, or slits in the factory shrouding by the "fresh air" inlet to allow for actual airflow to enter in.
I will do a recovering video in the next couple of days. 3 minutes at idle, then driving to show how fast the intake recovers to ambient/charge air temp.
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I can agree with that. Did you say proper intercooler?
http://www.maperformance.com/map-20...pipe-upgrade-2014-ford-fiesta-st-fist-ic.html
Production starts in about a week, waiting on cores!
Thank you!
As promised yesterday, here is a heat soak recovery with a little clip of how the intake and our charge pipe with BOV kit sounds. Ambient temp was going between 64-66°. 5 minutes at idle while I adjusted my BOV, followed by 1/3 mile of driving roughly. Could be less, as you can see in the video. Went from 20° above ambient to 3° above ambient in just a short amount of time.
The material doesn't play a huge factor in the air flowing through the intake, as the air is moving at a high rate of speed and isn't in the system long enough to absorb any heat. What you want to do is create a intake that doesn't act as an additional source of heat to the engine bay. This is why we scraped the second inlet pipe that goes to the turbo as it runs over the factory manifold and would be an additional source of heat once it failed the battle of resisting heat. Plastic would be the best material to use but unfortunately it would require over seas production to release a composite intake that would be affordable. Steel does a great job of resisting heat (barrier), and this is why we have had good luck using it in our products, not to mention it looks much better than aluminum
[video=youtube;hDVhY4oihkU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDVhY4oihkU[/video]
http://www.maperformance.com/map-20...pipe-upgrade-2014-ford-fiesta-st-fist-ic.html
Production starts in about a week, waiting on cores!
Thank you!
As promised yesterday, here is a heat soak recovery with a little clip of how the intake and our charge pipe with BOV kit sounds. Ambient temp was going between 64-66°. 5 minutes at idle while I adjusted my BOV, followed by 1/3 mile of driving roughly. Could be less, as you can see in the video. Went from 20° above ambient to 3° above ambient in just a short amount of time.
The material doesn't play a huge factor in the air flowing through the intake, as the air is moving at a high rate of speed and isn't in the system long enough to absorb any heat. What you want to do is create a intake that doesn't act as an additional source of heat to the engine bay. This is why we scraped the second inlet pipe that goes to the turbo as it runs over the factory manifold and would be an additional source of heat once it failed the battle of resisting heat. Plastic would be the best material to use but unfortunately it would require over seas production to release a composite intake that would be affordable. Steel does a great job of resisting heat (barrier), and this is why we have had good luck using it in our products, not to mention it looks much better than aluminum
[video=youtube;hDVhY4oihkU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDVhY4oihkU[/video]
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We bent up all the piping yesterday, but had to knock out 20 Ecoboost Mustang intercoolers first as we were a little behind on them. Pipes should be done this week and should start shipping next week hopefully. Wrinkle black is an additional week for powdercoating.
Thank you for your order!
Thank you for your order!
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