Beat The Heat! Mishimoto Intercooler R&D!
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No it can only work on one car at a time. The AP becomes "married" to the vehicle with an active tune. The only way to "unmarry" is if the other person Uninstalled their own tune. You'd then be able to download a tune but then the AP would be married to your vehicle. And you'd be in the same reverse situation. Long story short. AP is vehicle specific once installed. One user.
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#143
Those are the correct core dimensions, thank you for posting! We appreciate everyone weighing in on this and we had the same train of thought as you were describing. We tested bar and plate coolers because they are much faster to create for testing purposes. The methods in which we conducted testing ensured that the data will still be applicable to the tube-and-fin design. Although we chose a smaller size than the bar and plate design we saved a significant amount of weight by doing this and we felt it made up for the core size.
-Sara
-Sara
I'm a little concerned about the quality I read on Instagram a few peeps saying quality was not the best being made in China blah blah. I've had mountune stuff before when I lived in England and there stuff is always top notch so I'm a bit hesitant on which way to go although the cooler design looks great
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#147
Hi Turbo,
Mishimoto is a global provider with offices in Delaware, Los Angeles, Shanghai China, and Birmingham United Kingdom. All products are designed, engineered, and tested in New Castle, Delaware at our corporate headquarters using state of the art machinery (CMM arms, AWD Dyno, Rapid Prototyping, etc.). The manufacturing location depends on the product we are manufacturing. For example, all of our intercooler pipes for diesel trucks are made in Los Angeles. Our stamped aluminum brackets come from Texas. This Intercooler is in fact made in China, under strict control of our American operated Shanghai branch. We try to make as many parts in the States as possible, where feasible. With that said, much like Samsung or Apple (or the majority of the parts on your car), it comes down to the engineering behind the part and the quality control of the manufacturing. With a lifetime warranty on every part we manufacture, it is safe to say our parts are of the highest quality.
-Sara
Mishimoto is a global provider with offices in Delaware, Los Angeles, Shanghai China, and Birmingham United Kingdom. All products are designed, engineered, and tested in New Castle, Delaware at our corporate headquarters using state of the art machinery (CMM arms, AWD Dyno, Rapid Prototyping, etc.). The manufacturing location depends on the product we are manufacturing. For example, all of our intercooler pipes for diesel trucks are made in Los Angeles. Our stamped aluminum brackets come from Texas. This Intercooler is in fact made in China, under strict control of our American operated Shanghai branch. We try to make as many parts in the States as possible, where feasible. With that said, much like Samsung or Apple (or the majority of the parts on your car), it comes down to the engineering behind the part and the quality control of the manufacturing. With a lifetime warranty on every part we manufacture, it is safe to say our parts are of the highest quality.
-Sara
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#150
Thanks for your order!
Of course there is a possibility that they will come in before they are expected, however I would plan on the date listed just to be safe. Either way, I will keep you updated if the date moves at all.
-Sara
Of course there is a possibility that they will come in before they are expected, however I would plan on the date listed just to be safe. Either way, I will keep you updated if the date moves at all.
-Sara
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#154
Thanks for your order!
We have not had a chance to test fit this intercooler on any 2016 models, but to our knowledge nothing has changed between those years that would cause it to not fit. Yes this will fit with stock piping, as well as the Mishimoto pipe kit. For reference, you can check out the Mishimoto pipe kit HERE.
Let me know if you have any questions!
Occasionally, pre-sales will extend past their estimated ship date, so your best bet is to check the website (and here) often when the ship date is near for shipping information.
-Sara
We have not had a chance to test fit this intercooler on any 2016 models, but to our knowledge nothing has changed between those years that would cause it to not fit. Yes this will fit with stock piping, as well as the Mishimoto pipe kit. For reference, you can check out the Mishimoto pipe kit HERE.
Let me know if you have any questions!
Occasionally, pre-sales will extend past their estimated ship date, so your best bet is to check the website (and here) often when the ship date is near for shipping information.
-Sara
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My only concern is the 11th hour switch to tube/fin while testing with bar/plate. Not only was the fin design changed but the thickness was reduced from 3" to 2.5" for the final product. You say the data points would be pretty much the same for the two designs but i personally would prefer to see the final design tested. To say we should buy the final product based on a different prototype sounds a bit hokey to me. A transparent R&D process becomes opaque in the end?...
I went back to pages 7 and 10 for the plots. In round two's testing you only ran B/P designs. The temperature drops from B/P 3, your final choice, were close to the earlier T/F plot from the 1st round. For whatever reason you chose not to overlay temp plots but when i looked at them side by side, B/P 3 and the T/F were close enough through most of the curve. Where i take issue is the pressure drop plots. The earlier T/F prototype you overlaid into round 2 shows a much larger pressure drop than the B/P 3 design you settled on.
Are you expecting the inferior flow of the T/F prototype to become the superior flow of the B/P 3 unit by giving it the B/P 3 fin design? Also, what will the eventual pressure drop actually be? As a customer and a layman in IC design, how am I to reconcile this? The T/F fin design in round 1 performed very similar in the temp plot when compared to a final fin design in the B/P 3 prototype. Would an identical fin design behave differently between a bar vs tube? They must or we wouldn't be debating the merits of two different design choices and you wouldn't be testing it. I don't think it's asking too much to see for ourselves the exact effects the final design's flow characteristics have on temperatures and pressure drops.
You're a reputable company and i don't doubt that. But further consideration must be made to the fact you never shared the prototype and test of the EXACT final design. It's like you've said, "Here's an R&D carrot on a string fellas...follow, follow, follow....and now here's an orange. Thanks for playing. What? It's the same color. Now buy it." I'm exaggerating but do you see my point?
I agree your switch to T/F was a wise one. More air flow to the radiator and less weight while maintaining the performance of the B/P design is incredible...just haven't seen the plots yet.
I went back to pages 7 and 10 for the plots. In round two's testing you only ran B/P designs. The temperature drops from B/P 3, your final choice, were close to the earlier T/F plot from the 1st round. For whatever reason you chose not to overlay temp plots but when i looked at them side by side, B/P 3 and the T/F were close enough through most of the curve. Where i take issue is the pressure drop plots. The earlier T/F prototype you overlaid into round 2 shows a much larger pressure drop than the B/P 3 design you settled on.
Are you expecting the inferior flow of the T/F prototype to become the superior flow of the B/P 3 unit by giving it the B/P 3 fin design? Also, what will the eventual pressure drop actually be? As a customer and a layman in IC design, how am I to reconcile this? The T/F fin design in round 1 performed very similar in the temp plot when compared to a final fin design in the B/P 3 prototype. Would an identical fin design behave differently between a bar vs tube? They must or we wouldn't be debating the merits of two different design choices and you wouldn't be testing it. I don't think it's asking too much to see for ourselves the exact effects the final design's flow characteristics have on temperatures and pressure drops.
You're a reputable company and i don't doubt that. But further consideration must be made to the fact you never shared the prototype and test of the EXACT final design. It's like you've said, "Here's an R&D carrot on a string fellas...follow, follow, follow....and now here's an orange. Thanks for playing. What? It's the same color. Now buy it." I'm exaggerating but do you see my point?
I agree your switch to T/F was a wise one. More air flow to the radiator and less weight while maintaining the performance of the B/P design is incredible...just haven't seen the plots yet.
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#157
Hi There,
Apologies for the confusion, we tested both tube/fin as well as bar/plate designs in our original round of testing. It was in our second round of testing that we re-tested some bar/plate designs to determine at what core density the pressure drops were minimal, this data was then applied to our tube/fin design. We did not settle on a bar and plate design in round two, we were using the bar and plate coolers to finalize testing. This testing showed us that by adjusting the internal construction of the core, we could avoid these pressure drops that we saw with the initial tube/fin design to improve our final tube/fin design. It is a bit confusing, but I assure you a great deal of thought and calculations went in to the design of this intercooler. While we understand this isn't ideal we're confident in the design given all our testing and calculations.
Our logic was that, all other variables equal, the tube/fin performed the same as bar/plate. After round 1 of testing, our only concern was pressure drop. In round 2 we addressed this by altering internal core construction but with bar/pate because it was more readily available. Since round 1 showed no difference between tube/fin and bar/plate we applied the results of round 2 of testing to our final tube/fin design.
-Sara
Apologies for the confusion, we tested both tube/fin as well as bar/plate designs in our original round of testing. It was in our second round of testing that we re-tested some bar/plate designs to determine at what core density the pressure drops were minimal, this data was then applied to our tube/fin design. We did not settle on a bar and plate design in round two, we were using the bar and plate coolers to finalize testing. This testing showed us that by adjusting the internal construction of the core, we could avoid these pressure drops that we saw with the initial tube/fin design to improve our final tube/fin design. It is a bit confusing, but I assure you a great deal of thought and calculations went in to the design of this intercooler. While we understand this isn't ideal we're confident in the design given all our testing and calculations.
Our logic was that, all other variables equal, the tube/fin performed the same as bar/plate. After round 1 of testing, our only concern was pressure drop. In round 2 we addressed this by altering internal core construction but with bar/pate because it was more readily available. Since round 1 showed no difference between tube/fin and bar/plate we applied the results of round 2 of testing to our final tube/fin design.
-Sara
We have all enthusiastically followed your R&D processed, your logic in the process has been repeatedly explained to us.
I believe we all have very high respect for Mishimoto and and your line of products.
We are asking for your final product test results, prior to making a decision to purchase. It is quite obvious that there are a number of members in this position.
The fact that you are avoiding the subject, reiterating previous comments, actually raises suspicion that something is not quite right.
In your advertising ( http://www.mishimoto.com/ford-fiesta-st--intercooler-2014.html ), you claim "26°F reduction in AIT". Is that actual (in which case show us the test results), or just something you've extrapolated from your previous tests of "similar" products.
I'm starting to get tired of opening these threads expecting the results you've said are forthcoming.
SHOW US THE MONEY!
I believe we all have very high respect for Mishimoto and and your line of products.
We are asking for your final product test results, prior to making a decision to purchase. It is quite obvious that there are a number of members in this position.
The fact that you are avoiding the subject, reiterating previous comments, actually raises suspicion that something is not quite right.
In your advertising ( http://www.mishimoto.com/ford-fiesta-st--intercooler-2014.html ), you claim "26°F reduction in AIT". Is that actual (in which case show us the test results), or just something you've extrapolated from your previous tests of "similar" products.
I'm starting to get tired of opening these threads expecting the results you've said are forthcoming.
SHOW US THE MONEY!
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#159
We appreciate you following our progress here on the forums. Apologies that our attempts at sharing our R&D process have not been clear. The results of all of our testing thus far has been posted to share with you all. The posted data that we shared both here on the forums and our product page were actual results from our second round of testing. We understand that while we are confident in our calculations it would make everyone sleep better to see the tube/fin design undergo the same testing that the bar/plate saw in our last round. This is why we plan to test one of our production units when they are completed in 2-3 weeks and will be sure to share the results with you.
-Sara
-Sara
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