Cold air intake or K&N filter

[iso100]

Looks really good! Very professional. Wonder if it will help with heat soak? Did you use the 2 inch roll?

Thank you.

Yes, this was the 2 inch roll which helped in the straight sections but I had to trim the pieces narrower for the bends.

I'm trying to prevent heat soak as much as possible with this film and will be running my "after" log tomorrow morning once the ambient temps get to exactly 60 degrees F to match the conditions of this morning's "before" log.

 

[rexdriver85]

Thank you.

Yes, this was the 2 inch roll which helped in the straight sections but I had to trim the pieces narrower for the bends.

I'm trying to prevent heat soak as much as possible with this film and will be running my "after" log tomorrow morning once the ambient temps get to exactly 60 degrees F to match the conditions of this morning's "before" log.

Thanks for doing this. You have inspired me to go with the black version and I will most likely do the wrap. Can't wait to see the results sir. [emoji106][emoji106]

This intake system seems to be proving one of the best available right now according to the data you have.

What say you [MENTION=930]dyn085[/MENTION] ?

 

[dyn085]

Did you see the dyno I posted? The only variable was the addition of the intake. +16wft/lb and +10whp peak. Average gains 7wft/lb and 6whp.

I did, and was one of the few that supported you on FB because I'm not the kinda guy that argues recorded data. You and Randy then basically discarded your results by claiming that the test wasn't properly controlled, so I definitely wasn't going to claim them here. That, and you're the first person to be able to show a legitimate gain, so it's kind of difficult to view the results as the norm instead of a fluke.

Not that I'm disagreeing now, it's just difficult to support it when the two of you ultimately stated that it was invalid. I defended both the chart and an overall dyno process in the post, but once you came back and verified the lack of accuracy I basically just had to step back and leave it be. I would expect any reasonable person to come to that same conclusion even if I was in your shoes.

Part of why I created the datalogging-related threads was in the hopes that people would become comfortable enough in the process to take more of them, hopefully with the final result of doing back-to-back comparisons when they do installs. The more data we collect the better we'll know and more accurately we'll know it. I've never claimed in here that there is definitely no gain, just that we need more data all-around.

 

[iso100]

The 21ft/lb one was bad due to different coolant temps. That's why I updated the log and posted this one instead. This has two pulls with nearly identical coolant temps.

While not 21ft/lbs it's still 16.

 

[dyn085]

What say you [MENTION=930]dyn085[/MENTION] ?

If I was buying an intake today, cp-e is the one I would buy. I have their intake on my FoST and love it, regardless of any gain that may or may not exist. It's a quality part that looks beautiful and I have yet to see a reason to choose anything else.

 

[rexdriver85]

If I was buying an intake today, cp-e is the one I would buy. I have their intake on my FoST and love it, regardless of any gain that may or may not exist. It's a quality part that looks beautiful and I have yet to see a reason to choose anything else.

The other thing is, the aftermarket for us is still so young. I agree with you trying to get everyone comfortable with datalogging now, so we have lots of info for later when more and more products arrive.

 

[iso100]

I don't have the data yet but can feel a noticeable difference in temperature on the wrapped pipe versus the bare black one. It's not cold but I estimate maybe 10 degrees or so cooler temps.

 

[me32]

So this is the 1st actual intake that has a proven gain over stock by a good margin.

 

[dyn085]

So this is the 1st actual intake that has a proven gain over stock by a good margin.

I would say it's the first *documented* gain, and I'm not sure I would use 'good margin' as the descriptor. For all we know right now the other intakes could show as good or better results, but without supporting data there just isn't proof. And at this point, we could eventually find out that no one else can document gains-again, there's just too little information currently in the community.

Generally-speaking, you're not going to 'feel' a 6 hp/7 ft lb increase as it's only a ~3.4% gain. While every bit helps, I wouldn't expect to bolt this in and have it be a game-changer.

 

[me32]

I would say it's the first *documented* gain, and I'm not sure I would use 'good margin' as the descriptor. For all we know right now the other intakes could show as good or better results, but without supporting data there just isn't proof. And at this point, we could eventually find out that no one else can document gains-again, there's just too little information currently in the community.

Generally-speaking, you're not going to 'feel' a 6 hp/7 ft lb increase as it's only a ~3.4% gain. While every bit helps, I wouldn't expect to bolt this in and have it be a game-changer.

Well my assumption is with this cai and a upgrade intercooler this is a good upgrade.

 

[dyn085]

Well my assumption is with this cai and a upgrade intercooler this is a good upgrade.

I've never said that this was a 'bad' upgrade, and if you look both in this thread and other cp-e intake threads I'm 100% a supporter. Just because I know this is a part I will buy does not mean that I will give it a pass on over-analyzing data related to it as that would be a disservice to everyone.

Please people, don't take me being rational and logical as being negative or part-bashing. I seek out data in all avenues of this platform simply for the sake of benefitting the entire community with legitimate and quantifiable data, and with that data comes lots of hard questions and discussion. We have had all of the tools necessary to collect this data for over a year now, so by now we really should be past the part of making assumptions and already basically 'know'. Because it's taken so long to get people to collect and post legitimate data, we're only basically just getting started with the third-party information.

Every community goes through this in the beginning, and the ones that go through it the fastest are the ones that can put their emotion to the side long enough to make accurate and well-informed decisions based on the data that they collect, share, and analyze.

 

[rexdriver85]

I've never said that this was a 'bad' upgrade, and if you look both in this thread and other cp-e intake threads I'm 100% a supporter. Just because I know this is a part I will buy does not mean that I will give it a pass on over-analyzing data related to it as that would be a disservice to everyone.

Please people, don't take me being rational and logical as being negative or part-bashing. I seek out data in all avenues of this platform simply for the sake of benefitting the entire community with legitimate and quantifiable data, and with that data comes lots of hard questions and discussion. We have had all of the tools necessary to collect this data for over a year now, so by now we really should be past the part of making assumptions and already basically 'know'. Because it's taken so long to get people to collect and post legitimate data, we're only basically just getting started with the third-party information.

Every community goes through this in the beginning, and the ones that go through it the fastest are the ones that can put their emotion to the side long enough to make accurate and well-informed decisions based on the data that they collect, share, and analyze.

I support you're ideas Duane. We need to do this now while the community is growing and the aftermarket is young as many more products will come out. [emoji106]

 

[dyn085]

I support you're ideas Duane. We need to do this now while the community is growing and the aftermarket is young as many more products will come out. [emoji106]

Thanks!

As a short and related-but-off-topic example, when Razorlab was with us, he and I were actively trading and comparing some logs based on setups. One of the items we were analyzing was the FMIC, where he had the J-Line and I had the Cobb. It was very easy to discern a difference between the two by looking at the data because we both knew what we were doing, logging, and looking at (albeit, he was significantly more experienced than I due to his extensive tuning experience). Without a doubt, the J-Line outperformed the Cobb unit by a few degrees.

I had to accept the fact that his FMIC outperformed mine, and I was perfectly ok with that because that data comparison did not exist until we did it. Would I have made a different purchase with that info? Maybe, maybe not. Both parts have their pluses and minuses, and in no way was the Cobb unit 'bad' as the difference was only ever around 4 degrees max. But from that moment on there was a baseline with legitimate and comparable data for which others could build on or add to regarding FMIC's (well, there was until it got deleted). It made a very clear example to be able to say 'x outperforms y' or 'y is a complete bolt-on but you give up a few degrees of cooling compared to x for that convenience'.

Tl;dr-We're behind the power-curve (pun intended) at being able to accurately answer the OP's question. That's up to us, as a community, to either begin to collect and analyze the data or to continue to just try and guess. It's easy for a vendor or manufacturer to tell us how awesome their product is and why we should give them our money, but it's up to us to determine just how accurate their statements/claims end up being when the rubber meets the road and to spread that information accordingly.

Anywho, [MENTION=1629]speed racer[/MENTION]-I see you're in Smyrna. Are you going to have Injected do your tuning?

 

[iso100]

I would say that I've proven with dyno data and log data (airflow mass lb/min) that the CP-E performs better than the stock intake with K&N. I also had the silicone induction hose (like Mountune) on at the time of testing the "before" so that's another ~$150 "mod" in addition to the filter.

Is it worth $399? That's up to the OP and his budget. In the NA world, people have spent far more than $399 for a 7hp improvement (average) across the board with a 16ft/lb peak gain down low.

 

[koozy]

razorlab had an AIRTEC intercooler, not a J-Line.

 

[iso100]

I was wondering about that...

 

[dyn085]

razorlab had an AIRTEC intercooler, not a J-Line.

Yup, you're right. I don't know why I got the J-Line stuck in my head. It's been a while since he was banned here and moved on to real life.

A lot of good information disappeared when those personal vendettas decided to obliterate the little bit that we had acquired. My memory isn't the greatest, which is why I lean so hard on data. But I can also admit when I'm wrong, which is a natural part of seeking truth.

 

[koozy]

I just knew that it's an Airtec because I went with an Airtec intercooler based on his data and personal experience with fitting one on his own car.

I agree this forum has taken several strides backwards without his presence and by removing his post from public view. There were lots of good data and information, but unfortunately also in some of those threads were the pointless self fulfilling immature gibberish by others.

 

[brownievk]

I popped in a K&N filter, and "opened" up the stock airbox some ghetto style and it sounds awesome. Plenty of turbo spool and a much louder bov sound. Pretty happy for how cheap it was.

 

[XuperXero]

I popped in a K&N filter, and "opened" up the stock airbox some ghetto style and it sounds awesome. Plenty of turbo spool and a much louder bov sound. Pretty happy for how cheap it was.

Got a picture of the "opened" up setup?