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[MS67]

Why not compare both? "Because FWD has bad traction." Stop side-stepping. You want to prove its acceleration and power? Become a better driver and compare both.


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What about guys who are running 12s with 130+mph trap speeds, or 10s with 160+ mph trap speeds? Are you saying those cars aren't powerful?

Not everyone wants to launch the ever living shit out of a car just to prove a point or obtain a timeslip. Been there, done that, and it's just not worth it. And it's not a matter of being a "better driver" when you're racing a FWD car on street tires and 300+ ft-lbs of torque...there are traction limitations and regardless of driving skill, you can only launch these things so hard before stickier tires and drivetrain upgrades are needed...and on a platform like this, that's just dumb.

I'll take mine to the track to have fun, but I'm not going to turn it into a track car. This is an inexpensive, fun car and I didn't buy it to turn it into a money pit. At the end of the day, I'm still driving a Fiesta and it's just hard for me to justify sinking a ton of money into it.

And since ET is so important...where are your time slips? I mean, you should be well into the 11s at your power level. If not, you must be a pretty lousy driver.

Oh wait, that's right...you do 1/2 mile events. Have you ever seen anyone launch hard at a half mile event? Nope, but I guess since that's the case and these cars make up for it on the top end instead of cutting crazy 60' times, they must not be very powerful.


I went mid 11s in a 114 trap car with a 1.5 60'. That car was built to launch hard. I also went mid 11s in a 125 trap car on street tires. Which would do you think was more powerful?

 

[Hijinx]

Official Pumaspeed X-37 Hybrid Turbo Thread

What about guys who are running 12s with 130+mph trap speeds, or 10s with 160+ mph trap speeds? Are you saying those cars aren't powerful?

Not everyone wants to launch the ever living shit out of a car just to prove a point or obtain a timeslip. Been there, done that, and it's just not worth it. And it's not a matter of being a "better driver" when you're racing a FWD car on street tires and 300+ ft-lbs of torque...there are traction limitations and regardless of driving skill, you can only launch these things so hard before stickier tires and drivetrain upgrades are needed...and on a platform like this, that's just dumb.

I'll take mine to the track to have fun, but I'm not going to turn it into a track car. This is an inexpensive, fun car and I didn't buy it to turn it into a money pit. At the end of the day, I'm still driving a Fiesta and it's just hard for me to justify sinking a ton of money into it.

And since ET is so important...where are your time slips? I mean, you should be well into the 11s at your power level. If not, you must be a pretty lousy driver.

Oh wait, that's right...you do 1/2 mile events. Have you ever seen anyone launch hard at a half mile event? Nope, but I guess since that's the case and these cars make up for it on the top end instead of cutting crazy 60' times, they must not be very powerful.


I went mid 11s in a 114 trap car with a 1.5 60'. That car was built to launch hard. I also went mid 11s in a 125 trap car on street tires. Which would do you think was more powerful?

I do both 1/2 and 1/4. I have time slips from the 1/4 on this very forum. I've also said many times that Im not good at the 1/4 and need to become a better driver... So, I don't know what's got your jimmies rustled thinking you're calling me out lol. I could understand if we were trying to compare different drivetrains; that would be dumb. But, for a better launch every drivetrain has to go through everything you've mention. Some have an easier time than others. Basically, you're making excuses and taking my words out of context.

Spending a ton of money? Stop worrying about other people's bank accounts because of what YOU think the Fiesta should be.

For what it's worth, I've seen plenty of cars launch hard in the 1/2. However, 1/2 miles are TOP SPEED events. Not ET events, which is why a hard launch isn't necessary. BTW, I work half mile events. 5-6 events a year for the last three years...




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[Goingnowherefast]

And since ET is so important...where are your time slips? I mean, you should be well into the 11s at your power level. If not, you must be a pretty lousy driver.

Oh wait, that's right...you do 1/2 mile events. Have you ever seen anyone launch hard at a half mile event? Nope, but I guess since that's the case and these cars make up for it on the top end instead of cutting crazy 60' times, they must not be very powerful.


I went mid 11s in a 114 trap car with a 1.5 60'. That car was built to launch hard. I also went mid 11s in a 125 trap car on street tires. Which would do you think was more powerful?

Take it easy there cowboy, pretty sure he's just saying you can't completely disregard ET. The fact that it has FWD and 300+ Ft lb of torque doesn't instantly mean it's going to be shit slow as far as ET goes. There's many cars that run good times on street tires in a FWD application, because there's more to it like gearing, suspension setup, suspension geometry, tire width and compound, aero etc. For example, there's a few OTS tune + DP GTI's in the 12's on street tires with full weight. Both should be taken into account, but also taken with a grain of salt.

 

[MS67]

I do both 1/2 and 1/4. I have time slips from the 1/4 on this very forum. I've also said many times that Im not good at the 1/4 and need to become a better driver... So, I don't know what's got your jimmies rustled thinking you're calling me out lol. I could understand if we were trying to compare different drivetrains; that would be dumb. But, for a better launch every drivetrain has to go through everything you've mention. Some have an easier time than others. Basically, you're making excuses and taking my words out of context.

Spending a ton of money? Stop worrying about other people's bank accounts because of what YOU think the Fiesta should be.

For what it's worth, I've seen plenty of cars launch hard in the 1/2. However, 1/2 miles are TOP SPEED events. Not ET events, which is why a hard launch isn't necessary.




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You're wrong, because track prep also has a very significant effect on how a car launches. And since we're not comparing driving ability here...wouldn't you agree trap speed be a better indicator of power gains? Does anyone look at 1/2 mile ET to gauge power gains?

My point is, a 400hp Fiesta may run the same 1/4 mile ET as a stock, gutted Fiesta on slicks. It's a moot point in this discussion, which pertains to power levels and not how hard a car can launch. Considering most bolt on FiSTs trap in the high 90s, and so far the few X37 cars are trapping in the 109-110 range should say enough, but apparently that's not adequate for your elite self. Why are you posting in this thread of "mediocrity" again?

 

[Hijinx]

You're wrong, because track prep also has a very significant effect on how a car launches. And since we're not comparing driving ability here...wouldn't you agree trap speed be a better indicator of power gains? Does anyone look at 1/2 mile ET to gauge power gains?

My point is, a 400hp Fiesta may run the same 1/4 mile ET as a stock, gutted Fiesta on slicks. It's a moot point in this discussion, which pertains to power levels and not how hard a car can launch.

Track prep has an effect on how every car launches. You're making excuses because you think it's dumb. I'm just calling it how I see it. Of course I agree that trap speed is the better indicator of power. But a 400hp Fiesta is NOT going to run the same ET as a stock turbo, smh. Reaching for straws there, no?

I understand that the whole discussion, in and of itself, is about power gains only. But, guess what? I asked about ETs. Show me a 1.7 60" with a trap over 110, power and acceleration, then I'll be impressed. On that note, I do plan on getting slicks when I have my car back and I'll continue trying to get better at the 1/4.


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[MS67]

Track prep has an effect on how every car launches. You're making excuses because you think it's dumb. I'm just calling it how I see it. Of course I agree that trap speed is the better indicator of power. But a 400hp Fiesta is NOT going to run the same ET as a stock turbo, smh. Reaching for straws there, no?

I understand that the whole discussion, in and of itself, is about power gains only. But, guess what? I asked about ETs. Show me a 1.7 60" with a trap over 110, power and acceleration, then I'll be impressed. On that note, I do plan on getting slicks when I have my car back and I'll continue trying to get better at the 1/4.


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It does have an effect on how every car launches, but that effect varies drastically between different tracks...and we're not all racing at the same track...so why is this being contested?

I think it's dumb to drag race FWD cars and to make a "fun" handling car like this worthless for anything but straight-line racing. Which is why I chose the X-37...I don't need or want 350whp, or anything more than what I already have, because it makes the car worthless at autoX and HPDEs, which is where this platform shines. Same reason why I decided to go SC instead of turbo on my S2000. But, different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your straight line Fiesta!


Wait...the timeslip you posted was a 13.49 @ 107mph...that's with the GTX2867, correct? Stevo went 13.32 @ 102 with the stock turbo. How much power were you making when you ran 13.49 again?

Get my point, or shall we continue?

 

[Hijinx]

It does have an effect on how every car launches, but that effect varies drastically between different tracks...and we're not all racing at the same track...so why is this being contested?

I think it's dumb to drag race FWD cars and to make a "fun" handling car like this worthless for anything but straight-line racing. Which is why I chose the X-37...I don't need or want 350whp, or anything more than what I already have, because it makes the car worthless at autoX and HPDEs, which is where this platform shines. Same reason why I decided to go SC instead of turbo on my S2000. But, different strokes for different folks. Enjoy your straight line Fiesta!


Wait...the timeslip you posted was a 13.49 @ 107mph...that's with the GTX2867, correct? Stevo went 13.32 @ 102 with the stock turbo. How much power were you making when you ran 13.49 again?

Get my point, or shall we continue?

I think I already mentioned how much I was making (290whp), unless it was deleted from this thread. I don't care about autox, I don't care that the car shines there... I didn't buy my car to walk down the conventional path. Good for you if you did. Maybe one day I'll take it out for road racing, but currently my schedule and the track schedule just doesn't work out for me. You've never driven my car, and it seems like you're completely unaware of all its modifications. For every car, at any track, conditions are different. You can't control all the variables, so what? Gut the car, put it on slicks, and go do your best. That's literally every car... Stevo was on slicks, gutted. If I'd been on slicks/gutted, I'd have the better ET... I'd be worried if he went faster than me if I'm on slicks.

Have fun at autox if that's your thing with this car. It's not mine so I don't bench race it. If you don't want to talk about the 1/4, ignore the conversation.


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[MS67]

I finally prove my point so now you're telling me to ignore the conversation? Lol. If I remember correctly, you're the one that quoted me and said one needs to become a better driver to prove a setup's power and acceleration abilities.

And I'm reaching for straws when I say a 400hp Fiesta can run the same ET as a stock turbo one...but when I list examples, you say it's not a fair comparison. Yet that's been my point this entire time. ET is entirely subjective and can have little to do with overall power levels since so many other variables come into play, and this all points back to my initial statement that trap speed is a better indicator of power. That is all.

Man, sometimes I think you're here just to argue for the sake of shit talking.

 

[Ish]

I think I already mentioned how much I was making (290whp), unless it was deleted from this thread. I don't care about autox, I don't care that the car shines there... I didn't buy my car to walk down the conventional path. Good for you if you did. Maybe one day I'll take it out for road racing, but currently my schedule and the track schedule just doesn't work out for me. You've never driven my car, and it seems like you're completely unaware of all its modifications. For every car, at any track, conditions are different. You can't control all the variables, so what? Gut the car, put it on slicks, and go do your best. That's literally every car... Stevo was on slicks, gutted. If I'd been on slicks/gutted, I'd have the better ET... I'd be worried if he went faster than me if I'm on slicks.

Have fun at autox if that's your thing with this car. It's not mine so I don't bench race it. If you don't want to talk about the 1/4, ignore the conversation.


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No you bought your car to turn it to something it wasnt meant to be. 160mph fiesta? lol impressive dont get me wrong but dude its a fiesta. I guarantee at least half of this forum or more daily drive their fiesta and would like a turbo that gives great low end torque with some nice topend to follow thru, not some 160mph fiesta lol. So why are you here bashing on it telling us to go prove its fast? We dont need to prove anything to you to show you its capable of making good power. You should start a thread that talks about 160mph fiestas then rebuilding them. No ones here to prove anything, people that bought the x37 know its capabilities and are happy with the results like my self. Considering what i paid for its a good bang for your buck. By telling us to go get a "fast 1/4" time it just tells me your trying to justify your 4k turbo kit. If not, then why are you so insistent?

 

[MS67]

^Exactly. He can deny it all he wants, but he's only here to start shit. He didn't rename his build thread "Shun Mediocrity" for nothing.

Don't ruin this forum for the rest of us who are here to share helpful information with others.

 

[Hijinx]

No you bought your car to turn it to something it wasnt meant to be. 160mph fiesta? lol impressive dont get me wrong but dude its a fiesta. I guarantee at least half of this forum or more daily drive their fiesta and would like a turbo that gives great low end torque with some nice topend to follow thru, not some 160mph fiesta lol. So why are you here bashing on it telling us to go prove its fast? We dont need to prove anything to you to show you its capable of making good power. You should start a thread that talks about 160mph fiestas then rebuilding them. No ones here to prove anything, people that bought the x37 know its capabilities and are happy with the results like my self. Considering what i paid for its a good bang for your buck. By telling us to go get a "fast 1/4" time it just tells me your trying to justify your 4k turbo kit. If not, then why are you so insistent?

Because some people, like yourself, are insistent (and defensive) on telling me I turned my car into something it wasn't meant to be. Who's bashing who? Because I've only ever had good things to say about the hybrid turbos.


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[Hijinx]

I finally prove my point so now you're telling me to ignore the conversation? Lol. If I remember correctly, you're the one that quoted me and said one needs to become a better driver to prove a setup's power and acceleration abilities.

And I'm reaching for straws when I say a 400hp Fiesta can run the same ET as a stock turbo one...but when I list examples, you say it's not a fair comparison. Yet that's been my point this entire time. ET is entirely subjective and can have little to do with overall power levels since so many other variables come into play, and this all points back to my initial statement that trap speed is a better indicator of power. That is all.

Man, sometimes I think you're here just to argue for the sake of shit talking.

You're right on all points.


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[Ish]

Because some people, like yourself, are insistent (and defensive) on telling me I turned my car into something it wasn't meant to be. Who's bashing who? Because I've only ever had good things to say about the hybrid turbos.


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No ones telling you anything, its been the other way around from what i've seen. But hey, Whatever it takes to justify your 160mph fiesta right?

 

[Hijinx]

Explain to me where I'm in the wrong here and that'll be that.


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[Hijinx]

No ones telling you anything, its been the other way around from what i've seen. But hey, Whatever it takes to justify your 160mph fiesta right?

Show me.


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[Ish]

Curious... Are any of the X37 guys gonna hit the 1/4 mile and prove they're fast?


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Here.

 

[Hijinx]

Here.

Are you going to tell me how you interpreted that? If you feel like I was bashing, tell me how so. Because it seems like you're misinterpreting me.


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[Hijinx]

Here.

Do you not have multiple videos of street racing? I'm simply wondering if more are going to take the racing to the track.


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[Ish]

Do you not have multiple videos of street racing? I'm simply wondering if more are going to take the racing to the track.


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Not everyone is. Roll racing puts less stress on your drivetrain. You should subscribe to me Hijinx lol

 

[Hijinx]

Not everyone is. Roll racing puts less stress on your drivetrain. You should subscribe to me Hijinx lol

Of course not everyone will and no one has to. It would a be a gee-whiz thing. And, no thanks.


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