http://www.mountuneusa.com/mountune-High-Flow-Exhaust-Fiesta-ST-p/2364-cbe-ab.htm
Short version: $739; 2.5 inch diameter; 304 stainless steel
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The wait is over - Mountune Exhaust Is Out!
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http://www.mountuneusa.com/mountune-High-Flow-Exhaust-Fiesta-ST-p/2364-cbe-ab.htm
Short version: $739; 2.5 inch diameter; 304 stainless steel
No doubt it is the best engineered exhaust on the market, and price competitive with Cobb. From a tip standpoint, I prefer the Cobb and FSWerks. The Mountune one I am sure will have the best quality of sound, manufacturing, and engineering. Looking forward to hearing sound clips inside and outside the car.
I am back and forth between Cobb, Mountune and Borla.
I know Borla is the smallest but i have had them in the past and they are quiet but still have that growl which tells people that its a free flowing system. Sucks that its only 2 1/4" instead of 2.5 or even 3".
Cant wait to hear some sound clips.
I know Borla is the smallest but i have had them in the past and they are quiet but still have that growl which tells people that its a free flowing system. Sucks that its only 2 1/4" instead of 2.5 or even 3".
Cant wait to hear some sound clips.
The last time I checked prices;
MRT: $799.00
Magnaflow: $805.00
FSWerks: $549.00
Cobb: $745.00
Mountune: $739.00
Borla/FRPP:$995.00
The Mountune one is priced very well considering the quality and engineering behind it.
I had the Borla/FRPP exhaust on my 2011 and was really happy with the quality, installation, and sound. The price is the biggest killer, along with a tip design I was never totally happy with. The Mountune tips aren't my favorite either, but not too bad. Cobb and FSWerks have my vote for tip design as I prefer the simple angle cut. The muffler design of the Mountune is the biggest selling point. Slip joints are another good design as I have had horrible luck with flange gaskets getting hot and coming apart. I used to replace flange gaskets on my ZX3 exhaust system about once a month and after each track event. They simply burned up and vanished. I would prefer not to have an exhaust system using multiple flange gaskets again. The factory gaskets always worked great, but aftermarket ones sized for larger exhaust systems were horrible.
MRT: $799.00
Magnaflow: $805.00
FSWerks: $549.00
Cobb: $745.00
Mountune: $739.00
Borla/FRPP:$995.00
The Mountune one is priced very well considering the quality and engineering behind it.
I had the Borla/FRPP exhaust on my 2011 and was really happy with the quality, installation, and sound. The price is the biggest killer, along with a tip design I was never totally happy with. The Mountune tips aren't my favorite either, but not too bad. Cobb and FSWerks have my vote for tip design as I prefer the simple angle cut. The muffler design of the Mountune is the biggest selling point. Slip joints are another good design as I have had horrible luck with flange gaskets getting hot and coming apart. I used to replace flange gaskets on my ZX3 exhaust system about once a month and after each track event. They simply burned up and vanished. I would prefer not to have an exhaust system using multiple flange gaskets again. The factory gaskets always worked great, but aftermarket ones sized for larger exhaust systems were horrible.
I still can't wrap my head around what they get for cat-backs these days.
I could buy the stainless tube and bends, a resonator, a muffler, and some tips, and weld it all together for less than half those prices. They are getting their tube, mufflers, and other parts at quite a discount, so they must be making 70% profit or more on them. Development time and man hours is low on exhausts so that's not an excuse either. Most of these shops already had a TIG, so it's not like they are passing the cost of buying a new one on to the customer.
Same goes with charging $700 for an intercooler, except dev time is much higher (at least it should be).
/rant
I could buy the stainless tube and bends, a resonator, a muffler, and some tips, and weld it all together for less than half those prices. They are getting their tube, mufflers, and other parts at quite a discount, so they must be making 70% profit or more on them. Development time and man hours is low on exhausts so that's not an excuse either. Most of these shops already had a TIG, so it's not like they are passing the cost of buying a new one on to the customer.
Same goes with charging $700 for an intercooler, except dev time is much higher (at least it should be).
/rant
I will say that the FSwerks is the most reasonable option for a prebuilt stainless system. It's about $100 more than high quality stainless tubes and other bits to put it together would cost at full retail. If I were to go aftermarket and I wasn't in the mood to weld it myself, it would be my choice.
I haven't looked at the Injen system yet.
I'm still up in the air about an exhaust. There are always small gains to be had, but I just wish it was a bit louder. Having the noise makes it easier to drive at the limit and "feel" the car.
I haven't looked at the Injen system yet.
I'm still up in the air about an exhaust. There are always small gains to be had, but I just wish it was a bit louder. Having the noise makes it easier to drive at the limit and "feel" the car.
There are many determining factors that constitutes what is the right exhaust for your particular needs and budget that could make it impossible to claim one is the best overall.
I do like the fact they built the resonator into the muffler but I would love to see a cutaway to know exactly what the flow path is, I would imagine it is well engineered in that regard.
I also like the potential weight savings this can have and moving the weight to the rear of the car for better overall balance.
I would put my money on Cobb due to prior experience with their well engineered versus just tossing out something into the market like the vast majority of companies do, or possibly this one, it would be great to see an actual comparison of performance and noise, both subjective and objective. For those wanting a quality brand that likely does not have drone issues these are probably the best.
For those wanting a larger diameter for their high power builds they might have to run a 3" setup which is inherently going to be more difficult to control the noise level out of unless a significantly sized muffler and or resonator are used.
Being a business owner of many years I also understand research on actually engineered products, facility costs, packaging, stocking, shipping, margin for the reseller, not undercutting resellers, the prices are not out of line on the higher end units with the possible exceptions of Borla and Magnaflow banking on their names and only one of those brands do I like, due to real experiences.
Another overlooked aspect is actually how well the exhaust flows as I have seen some very poor quality parts used over the years, even for this car, horrid muffler design.
Custom cut and welded if done right can be great but I have also seen horrible work in that department and crush bend systems are inherently turbulent and thus flow much less than the size of the pipe used to make it and may flow worse than a smaller sized cut and weld mandrel bends or full mandrel bent system.
These reasons are part of why I build my own which I can change as needed to fine tune if I did not nail it the first time. I know for a fact that my system is the best flowing one I have seen for our car and do not need to test it to prove it as I have no intention of selling them. I spent the time and effort to ensure it and I will not build a duplicate as nobody would pay for that kind of labor charge, why you will not see a system like it made by any company, nobody would buy it for what they would have to charge.
NOTE: In the end it was more for the for the satisfaction of DIY than it was for the performance gains at the level I built it. I am sure there is not a great deal of improvement over the best aftermarket system at the power level I am building my car, I just like to know I did my best
Rick
I do like the fact they built the resonator into the muffler but I would love to see a cutaway to know exactly what the flow path is, I would imagine it is well engineered in that regard.
I also like the potential weight savings this can have and moving the weight to the rear of the car for better overall balance.
I would put my money on Cobb due to prior experience with their well engineered versus just tossing out something into the market like the vast majority of companies do, or possibly this one, it would be great to see an actual comparison of performance and noise, both subjective and objective. For those wanting a quality brand that likely does not have drone issues these are probably the best.
For those wanting a larger diameter for their high power builds they might have to run a 3" setup which is inherently going to be more difficult to control the noise level out of unless a significantly sized muffler and or resonator are used.
Being a business owner of many years I also understand research on actually engineered products, facility costs, packaging, stocking, shipping, margin for the reseller, not undercutting resellers, the prices are not out of line on the higher end units with the possible exceptions of Borla and Magnaflow banking on their names and only one of those brands do I like, due to real experiences.
Another overlooked aspect is actually how well the exhaust flows as I have seen some very poor quality parts used over the years, even for this car, horrid muffler design.
Custom cut and welded if done right can be great but I have also seen horrible work in that department and crush bend systems are inherently turbulent and thus flow much less than the size of the pipe used to make it and may flow worse than a smaller sized cut and weld mandrel bends or full mandrel bent system.
These reasons are part of why I build my own which I can change as needed to fine tune if I did not nail it the first time. I know for a fact that my system is the best flowing one I have seen for our car and do not need to test it to prove it as I have no intention of selling them. I spent the time and effort to ensure it and I will not build a duplicate as nobody would pay for that kind of labor charge, why you will not see a system like it made by any company, nobody would buy it for what they would have to charge.
NOTE: In the end it was more for the for the satisfaction of DIY than it was for the performance gains at the level I built it. I am sure there is not a great deal of improvement over the best aftermarket system at the power level I am building my car, I just like to know I did my best
Rick
It was definitely a learning experience, but I'm glad I built my own exhaust. I wasn't happy with any of the current offerings, but the fswerks was the closest. In the end, I spent less than 400 including the price of the gas for the borrowed TIG welder. The sound is right about what I wanted, though a bit loud.
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