PERON Super Stock V2 Hybrid Turbo

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Meh... I apologize for nothing. They cross at 5252.

hahaha,


no they don't. Only hp and torque when calculated in lbs-ft will cross at 5252 as shown. Go find a dyno graph in NM for torque and Kilowatts for HP. that's a fun one.

 

[Sourskittle]

I'm gonna take a page from mountune and peron and pumaspeed and start calling my turbo upgrade the.... "Cyborg400HP". not because it makes 400hp at the wheels. but because it makes 284 WHEEL HORSEPOWER ( or more with the right tuner and parts ), makes 340BHP, makes 360 flywheel HP, makes 400hp at the crankshaft with no accys bolted to it
( like the old 60's muscle cars were rated ).

But because "400" is the largest and best sounding number, I'll just use that without an "*" next to it or anything to let people know that they are not getting the power that think they are, but merely a calculated, converted, mis-leading figure NOT based off what we think it is....

just saying.... how hard would it be for everyone to get on the same page ? its not. Its just that it SOUNDS better in metric.

 

[StayPuft]

I'm gonna take a page from mountune and peron and pumaspeed and start calling my turbo upgrade the.... "Cyborg400HP". not because it makes 400hp at the wheels. but because it makes 284 WHEEL HORSEPOWER ( or more with the right tuner and parts ), makes 340BHP, makes 360 flywheel HP, makes 400hp at the crankshaft with no accys bolted to it
( like the old 60's muscle cars were rated ).

But because "400" is the largest and best sounding number, I'll just use that without an "*" next to it or anything to let people know that they are not getting the power that think they are, but merely a calculated, converted, mis-leading figure NOT based off what we think it is....

just saying.... how hard would it be for everyone to get on the same page ? its not. Its just that it SOUNDS better in metric.

Are these other hybrid turbo options basically offering the same modifications as you?

 

[Sourskittle]

Are these other hybrid turbo options basically offering the same modifications as you?

Well... Sorta. And no. Lol.
The cheapest of the options is still pretty expensive, and its not even in the ballpark of what I've made power wise. And the really nice ones can get REALLY REALLY expensive, like... "Could have bought a bug turbo kit from DHM instead", expensive. We're talking $3500+. Pretty sure at one point I saw one that would cost us $4500.

Some of them are modest, decent upgrades. But the cost is just too high, and my cyborg setup easily beats their cost. Some of the others are very nice, cool setups, but the cost is just really high, and on top of that, they cross the line into that area of lag that the GT2552 is in. It almost always ends up just making more ( or a lot more ) sense to just convert to a real big turbo kit from ATP or DHM. Which is really at the root of why I don't make much money doing the cyborg stuff. I keep the cost as low as I can, so that it does make sense as an option. If I moved the prices closer to what a real shop would charge, they would be $2100 instead of $1450.

All these systems have a flaw in them, besides the lack of "bang for buck". They all either A) use a stock manifold that is not ported or improved at all. Or B) they use a big fancy tubular manifold. Now don't get me wrong, those big expensive tubular manifolds that pumaspeed makes, and peron makes, and DHM make, they are works of art. They are actually reason deals, even at $800-$1200, they take expensive materials, more time than you can imagine, and skill that doesn't come easy or over night. But... On a small turbo, it actually can cause a lag in response. Turbo's run off heat. The tube manifolds def flow better in the higher rpm, making more high rpm power ( no one can argue with Rod's 360whp car or DHM/Russ's 426whp car ), but the give some up on the bottom end of the band for that. With a hybrid, or cyborg type turbo, you've already given up about as much low end as you'd be willing yo give, all in the name of smoother and linear power from 3200rpm +. Are you really willing to lose even more response? For what? 12whp more peak power at the cost of $800-$1200? So your options are spend another grand and hope your "hybrid" doesn't become too lazy or use a power choking bone stock manifold.

You actually have two other options.
Option C) you pay me to port your stock manifold ( which adds even more cost to the already costly euro setups )
D) port them yourself. Porting them yourself is a real option. But I promise, if you actually follow through with an entire good port job, you'll wish that you paided me to do it. I actually let one of my local fist-friends use a set of my cores FOR FREE. He said that he had over 1,000 hours experience in porting everything from cylinder heads to turbos (like back-in-the-day turbo's like svo and dsm turbos). I happily let him use some cores. 10weeks later, he returned the cores with a smile on his face and said, "dude, your nuts. I spent hours to get where they are now, and there's no way I'm gonna finish them at this rate". And he was right. He'd barely scratched the surfaces. But it is possible. The porting is a big part of the cyborg, and puma speed doesn't port anything for what they charge.

I do think peron has a larger framed turbo that is basically machined to fit into the stock turbine housing. But that's a really bad idea ( although, it sounds and looks cool as hell, and is ). The cyborg has has a poor ratio of compressor wheel vs turbine wheel size already. Its not good. But in all honesty, that's just the way it is. Stock type turbo upgrades are not about being 100% perfect. They are about taking a turbo that is about 40% perfect and turning it into a turbo that is 80% perfect. If you want 100% perfect, I recommend you dial up DHM while slipping your mastercard out of your wallet, lol.

The lack of info we all have on these euro turbo's means that I can't make much for direct comparisons. And I don't blame them. I don't publish the clip on our turbines and I don't publish anything about our compressor wheel we use. And I wouldn't expect them to publish their info either.

From a stand point of anyone in the USA though, I haven't seen ANYTHING close to making me think that even the cheapest pumaspeed option is better than a ATP big turbo setup ( which also doesn't come with a ported stock manifold ).

Franky, I'm shocked I haven't been covered up building cyborgs for people in the euro market. With the exchange rate, they could get a cyborg for like $1000 !! Even if they didn't send me cores back, they'd get everything and still have there stock stuff to sell for $1300 or so.

 

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PERON's Super Stock V2 Hybrid Turbo Manifold

FYI...

PERON also just posted this announcement (below) on FB today...

"Fiesta ST 1.6T Super Stock V2 Hybrid Turbo Manifold coming soon..."

https://www.facebook.com/PERONtuned...8711918323170/413488035512223/?type=1&theater




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PERON Super Stock V2 Hybrid Turbo

https://www.facebook.com/PERONtuned...8711918323170/407458092781884/?type=1&theater

Peron shared some details of its new hybrid turbo, Super Stock V2:

http://perontuned.co.uk/products/super-stock-turbocharger-v2-ford-fiesta-1-6tc

The Super Stock V2 should be able to hit 300BHP.

The current Super Stock makes ~280 BHP and at 1.6bar (23.2PSI) over 300lb/ft.

 

[Kidders]

Perhaps someone else could chime in but I'm assuming much quicker spool similar to that of stock setup.... PERON should be releasing results very soon....

I run the V1 hybrid, my car is a development vehicle for Peron. We get spool from 1200rpm and power all the way to 7000rpm with a 7300rpm limit, boost is up to 1.6 bar, zero throttle closure with their maps and my fuelling is bang on too. Absolutely cannot fault it in any aspect. My car will be the second car to go V2 after their own car has finished testing. It's been calculated at 300whp but I suspect production files will be 270/280whp. Should be the perfect oem + option without going to a 'big' turbo I.e EFR or GTX

 

[Kidders]

Peron shared some details of its new hybrid turbo, Super Stock V2:

The Super Stock V2 should be able to hit 300BHP.


The current Super Stock makes ~280 BHP and at 1.6bar (23.2PSI) over 300lb/ft.
A clip from MGTubro on YT, Super Stock V1 @1.6bar (23.2PSI):

[video=youtube;906N0paNPxM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=906N0paNPxM[/video]

Ah I recognise that video !

I've had another map revision since then with a bit more load in the mid range, we have seen peaks of 287bhp and 303lb ft at litchfields maha dyno.

In a few weeks we will be fitting V2 once tooling has been completed for the compressor outlet, we also have a new crossover made and designed with ITG. Combined with the 90mm down pipe and remotely mounted recirc DV system we hope to see minimal lag, calculations show the turbo is 300whp based on the specs, we should comfortably get 270+whip with torque in excess of 300lb ft.

 

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I run the V1 hybrid, my car is a development vehicle for Peron. We get spool from 1200rpm and power all the way to 7000rpm with a 7300rpm limit, boost is up to 1.6 bar, zero throttle closure with their maps and my fuelling is bang on too. Absolutely cannot fault it in any aspect. My car will be the second car to go V2 after their own car has finished testing. It's been calculated at 300whp but I suspect production files will be 270/280whp. Should be the perfect oem + option without going to a 'big' turbo I.e EFR or GTX

Hey thanks for the update...I've been very interested in Peron's hybrid turbo as well as their new twin scroll turbo but have yet to see any results released from Peron for their twin scroll turbo yet?....

Think you could you post your dyno results for us along with boost profile so we can see what the curves look like over the entire power band?

much appreciated!

 

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Ah I recognise that video !

I've had another map revision since then with a bit more load in the mid range, we have seen peaks of 287bhp and 303lb ft at litchfields maha dyno.

think could you post your dyno plots for us to see along with boost profile...much appreciated!

 

[Kidders]

think could you post your dyno plots for us to see along with boost profile...much appreciated!

I would have to speak to Mr Peron as it was his car that was run, not mine.

 

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I would have to speak to Mr Peron as it was his car that was run, not mine.

oh I thought this was your FiST you were referring to below....no???

I've had another map revision since then with a bit more load in the mid range, we have seen peaks of 287bhp and 303lb ft at litchfields maha dyno.

It would be much appreciated if you could get a plot to post...thank you!

Also while your speaking to Mr. Peron tell him we are eager to see his twin scroll turbo results too!

 

[Kidders]

oh I thought this was your FiST you were referring to below....no???



It would be much appreciated if you could get a plot to post...thank you!

Also while your speaking to Mr. Peron tell him we are eager to see his twin scroll turbo results too!

We as in Peron, the map was developed on the dyno and then lots of miles done on the road by myself before it was available to the general public. I see no reason why figures wouldn't be very similar on the same dyno as the maps are near identical (apart from the software version)

 

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We as in Peron, the map was developed on the dyno and then lots of miles done on the road by myself before it was available to the general public. I see no reason why figures wouldn't be very similar on the same dyno as the maps are near identical (apart from the software version)

OIC...So you work for Peron?

See if you can post some of your most recent map revision results of the V2 hybrid turbo along with boost profile...

And here is the twin scroll thread (below) which I think you just posted on today...many of us are eager to see results soon!

Peron's New Twin Scroll Turbo System for Fiesta ST

 

[Klerr]

Ah I recognise that video !

I've had another map revision since then with a bit more load in the mid range, we have seen peaks of 287bhp and 303lb ft at litchfields maha dyno.

In a few weeks we will be fitting V2 once tooling has been completed for the compressor outlet, we also have a new crossover made and designed with ITG. Combined with the 90mm down pipe and remotely mounted recirc DV system we hope to see minimal lag, calculations show the turbo is 300whp based on the specs, we should comfortably get 270+whip with torque in excess of 300lb ft.

270+whp, so 310bhp? That would be sweet

 

[Kidders]

Hey thanks for the update...I've been very interested in Peron's hybrid turbo as well as their new twin scroll turbo but have yet to see any results released from Peron for their twin scroll turbo yet?....

Think you could you post your dyno results for us along with boost profile so we can see what the curves look like over the entire power band?

much appreciated!

As soon as I know more I'll let you guys know, it's Ian's car so no doubt you'll hear from him first.

I've not driven the car myself but have it on good authority that the driveability is better than the normal EFR and just pulls ridiculously hard, i've heard boost threshold is little lower, so peak torque at 33-3400rpm? It seems a better option for a smaller capacity engine to make the powerband as broad as possible, utterly pointless having a car that does nothing below 4k even if it's used on the track. What we are after is perfect driving manners but big engine power and torque.

 

[Kidders]

OIC...So you work for Peron?

See if you can post some of your most recent map revision results of the V2 hybrid turbo along with boost profile...

And here is the twin scroll thread (below) which I think you just posted on today...many of us are eager to see results soon!

Peron's New Twin Scroll Turbo System for Fiesta ST

Have replied on the other thread. I'm a technical support agent for PERON, I've been involved with on road development with them for a while now, together with another chap who runs a near identical spec car to me, we do track and road mileage (I've done 13,000 miles this year).

 

[Klerr]

Do you have some updates Kidders?

 

[Kidders]

Do you have some updates Kidders?

Just a small one. In testing we have seen 290WHP @7000rpm and 315lb ft @ 2700rpm, production tune will be approx 280WHP. Release date is 2-3 weeks away, just more miles being put on the kit before its available for customers.

 

[15performanceblue]

Just a small one. In testing we have seen 290WHP @7000rpm and 315lb ft @ 2700rpm, production tune will be approx 280WHP. Release date is 2-3 weeks away, just more miles being put on the kit before its available for customers.

What kind of price range?

 

[Kidders]

What kind of price range?

The kit (less intercooler, CAIS and downpipe ) will be £2,250 inc vat, this includes the calibration, the turbocharger unit, crossover and hotside pipe, a recirculating BOV with all silicone piping etc.